We’re not even remotely close.

That’s just the other side of the same coin whose flip side claims AGI is right around the corner. The truth is, you couldn’t possibly know either way.

I'm not sure I can give a satisfying answer. There are a lot of moving parts here, and a big issue here is definitions which you also touch upon with your reference to Searle.

I agree with the sentiment that there must be some objective measure of reasoning ability. To me, reasoning is more than following logical rules. It's also about interpreting the intent of the task. The reasoning models are very sensitive to initial conditions and tend to drift when the question is not super precise or if they don't have sufficient context.

The AI models are in a sense very fragile to the input. Organic intelligence on the other hand is resilient and also heuristic. I don't have any specific idea for the test, but it should test the ability to solve a very ill-posed problem.

A lot of people making baseless claims about it being inevitable...i mean it could happen but the hard problem of consciousness is not inevitable to solve

The truth is, you couldn’t possibly know either way.

I think the argument is we're not remotely close when considering the specific techniques used by current generation of AI tools. Of course people can make new discovery any day and achieve AGI but it's a different discussion.

Not sure if we will even really notice that in our lifetime, it is taking decades to get things like invoice processing to automate. Heck in the US they can't even get proper bank connections made.

Also, tractors have replaced a lot of workers on the land, computers have both lost a lot of jobs in offices and created a lot at the same time.

Jobs will change, that's for sure and I think most of the heavy labour jobs will become more expensive since they are harder to replace.

Human level? That’s not setting the bar very high. Surely the aim would be to surpass human, or why bother?

something that cannot, even in principle, be replicated in silicon

As if silicon were the only technology we have to build computers.

Did you genuinely not understand the point I was making, or are you just being pedantic? "Silicon" obviously refers to current computing substrates, not a literal constraint on all future hardware. If you’d prefer I rewrite it as "in non-biological substrates," I’m happy to oblige - but I have a feeling you already knew that.

And why is "non-biological" a limitation?

Couldn’t we have a good old fashioned butlerian jihad?

I haven’t claimed that it is. The point is, the only two plausible scenarios I can think of where we don’t eventually reach AGI are: either we destroy ourselves before we get there, or there’s something fundamentally mysterious about the biological computer that is the human brain - something that allows it to process information in a way we simply can’t replicate any other way.

I don’t think that’s the case, since both the brain and computers are made of matter, and matter obeys the laws of physics. But it’s at least conceivable that there could be more to it.

I personally think that the additional component (suppose it's energy) that modern approaches miss is the sheer amount of entropy a human brain gets - plenty of many times duplicated sensory signals with pseudo-random fluctuations. I don't know how one can use lots of entropy to replace lots of computation (OK, I know what Monte-Carlo method is, just how it applies to AI), but superficially this seems to be the way that will be taken at some point.

On your point - I agree.

I'd say we might reach AGI soon enough, but it will be impractical to use as compared to a human.

While the matching efficiency is something very far away, because a human brain has undergone, so to say, an optimization\compression taking the energy of evolution since the beginning of life on Earth.

Yeah. Cheap labor is so much better than this bullshit

Why would we want to? 99% of the issues people have with "AI" are just problems with society more broadly that AI didn't really cause, only exacerbated. I think it's absurd to just reject this entire field because of a bunch of shitty fads going on right now with LLMs and image generators.

In some dimensions, current day LLMs are already superintelligent. They are extremely good knowledge retrieval engines that can far outperform traditional search engines, once you learn how properly to use them. No, they are not AGIs, because they're not sentient or self-motivated, but I'm not sure those are desirable or useful dimensions of intellect to work towards anyway.

That's true in a somewhat abstract way, but I just don't see any evidence of the claim that it is just around the corner. I don't see what currently existing technology can facilitate it. Faster-than-light travel could also theoretically be just around the corner, but it would surprise me if it was, because we just don't have the technology.

On the other hand, the people who push the claim that AGI is just around the corner usually have huge vested interests.

I think that's a very generous use of the word "superintelligent". They aren't anything like what I associate with that word anyhow.

I also don't really think they are knowledge retrieval engines. I use them extensively in my daily work, for example to write emails and generate ideas. But when it comes to facts they are flaky at best. It's more of a free association game than knowledge retrieval IMO.

"Dude trust me, just give me 40 billion more dollars, lobby for complete deregulation of the industry, and get me 50 more petabytes of data, then we will have a little human in the computer! RealshitGPT will have human level intelligence!"