Volkswagen Planning Subscription-Based Horsepower Upgrades
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i have no idea what you've gone off about. i did a DDG search. i am not claiming anything.
I'm sorry for doing a search. lol
And for some reason, you search turned up a result that isn't representative, maybe you should be more careful with your searches?
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I wonder why that may be.
Parts are expensive since everything needs to be imported. This has been true long before Trump started messing with tariffs. Parts are way easier to get and cheaper in the EU.
Toyota is popular here for the opposite reason: parts are inexpensive and easy to find. They're also imported, but they've done a much better job figuring out their supply chain.
Porsche is also VW
Maybe by ownership, but they target a very different demographic and thus are designed very differently.
Hyundai is also losing profits
Hyundai is a lot more popular here than VW. Why? They're cheap and reasonably reliable. VW isn't as reliable.
Regarding reliability it's weird Hyundai already has such a good reputation for reliability, because it's not many years ago that Hyundai was pretty poor quality. Like for instance the Hyundai Sonata was really awful with rust. And the way the car was built was outdated.
So just a few years ago, there was no comparison that VW and Toyota were vastly superior quality to Hyundai.
I know they are better today,but still I must admit I'm surprised if they are really better than VW?
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Wouldn't it be even cheaper to design the next version modularly and interchangeable?
Ah, wait, that would make it too easy to repair for unlicensed users.
Wouldn't it be even cheaper to design the next version modularly and interchangeable?
The extra labor to manage more components and check/verify each single vehicle fits it's unique specs would eat up the saving really fast. It's so much easier to do a single HW config and manage it through SW, and electronic components are generally cheap.
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Consumer planning anything but Volkswagen subscription upgrade
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Woo! 2002 passat owner checking in here!
03 Jetta 1.8T 5mt reporting in
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Most car for the last decade or two already come with a lot of options built-in that are simply disabled by software in the factory. It's cheaper to just build in a standard set of electronics and disable what's not bought by the customer because many brands still like to milk the customer with options. Subscriptions just take the buying of options to renting.
VW here also also has the "lifetime subscription" for this. That makes it basically the same as you buying the option and they switch in it on in the factory. It's just plain in your face that it's behind a paywall while the old checking options didn't feel as much as a paywall.
Anyway, I went with Hyundai. They didn't do options and subscriptions. You only get to choose the model and looks, that's it.
Fuck “lifetime subscriptions”. They’re taking a page from Tesla and I’m sure they’ll require any new owner to pay them separately should you sell the vehicle.
Simply avoid VW and any future brand that pulls this shit.
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From the same company that brought you test based emissions upgrades?
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Strange comment, since VW group sell by far the most EV cars in EU.
Yet you get a dozen upvotes.
You guys are weird.
Lemmy moment
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Ooh, how about it accelerates really slowly at stop lights unless I pay for "turbo mode" to not get honked at?
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Das subscription
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Ooh, how about it accelerates really slowly at stop lights unless I pay for "turbo mode" to not get honked at?
I'm actually fine with that. People don't need to go 0-60 in an intersection.
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OK, but still USA is just 1 of the 3 biggest markets in the world, and the one where VW is doing worst.
All three brands are very reliable, so i bet the margin in that regard isn't big between them.
On a global scale VW remains ahead of Hyundai.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automotive_manufacturers_by_productionWe get it; you drive a VW
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Ill take “reasons why I still drive a b5.5 passat” for $500, Alex
ICE vehicles have been the same for a long time, only they lock the horsepower upgrades behind upgrade packages/trims.
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Fuck “lifetime subscriptions”. They’re taking a page from Tesla and I’m sure they’ll require any new owner to pay them separately should you sell the vehicle.
Simply avoid VW and any future brand that pulls this shit.
Tesla does not and has never had "lifetime subscriptions". They have a single connectivity subscription (they still have basic connectivity for free for all cars that allows you to monitor and control the vehicle,as well as navigation). Any other upgrades are behind 1-time payments (or your choice of either).
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Our family was looking for a newer car. We found a listing for a VW, went to the dealership with intent to buy and was told that the car (which was standing RIGHT there) was available for sale in 3 months. Now we enjoy our new Toyota.
The car has to ripen.
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Most car for the last decade or two already come with a lot of options built-in that are simply disabled by software in the factory. It's cheaper to just build in a standard set of electronics and disable what's not bought by the customer because many brands still like to milk the customer with options. Subscriptions just take the buying of options to renting.
VW here also also has the "lifetime subscription" for this. That makes it basically the same as you buying the option and they switch in it on in the factory. It's just plain in your face that it's behind a paywall while the old checking options didn't feel as much as a paywall.
Anyway, I went with Hyundai. They didn't do options and subscriptions. You only get to choose the model and looks, that's it.
Well hyundai has a predefined trim system, they cut cost of manufacturing by only having predefined trim levels that you can't customize.
They might still do this cutting of horsepower but they do it because of batteries.
e.g. the 39kwh and the 64 kwh Kona has the same motor but on the 39kwh it's limited as the battery pack can't deliver enough juice.
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I'm actually fine with that. People don't need to go 0-60 in an intersection.
But what about 0-10? 0-5? Surely you'd be better off limited to 2 mph/kph for the first 10s after a stop.
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Is $879 for an extra 20 horsepower even worth it?
For ice cars If you are outside warranty you can just have your ECU remapped and gain much more hp.
I am guessing these remaps will eventually be available for electric motors too
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Ill take “reasons why I still drive a b5.5 passat” for $500, Alex
It's due for a head gasket change, not much else. Not worth upgrading to a newer car for my price range and use case.
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VW makes better EV's than Hyundai/KIA IMO.
Also VW group has bigger sales.Hyundai and KIA have some good options too, but there is no way to call VW shitty by comparison, when they far outsell the competition in EU.
In Denmark where I live, Korean EV's have dropped out of top 10, while VW group has 7 models in top 10!
Vw doesnt make better EVs than hyundai lol, their range is worse, their charge curve is worse, their software is worse, what they have is better brand still, people are sleeping on Hyundai/Kia even though they offer better equipped cars for cheaper and with better reliability and warranty.
That's completely okay with me. i get to buy these as used cars at extremely cut price.
Go test drive a VW id.3 from 2022, I did, it's a 3 year old car and everything is creaking
