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  • When the websites that the AI search is sourcing information from cease to exist because they don't get enough traffic, how will AI search continue to source information?

    This isn't a hard concept....

    It might be harder than you think....

    What kind of information are you talking about? Let's be specific. The phone number for a garden center or how a rocket engine works? This won't affect every search the same way. This is actually a fantastically complex question and we'll only really see what happens when it does.

  • We have good options to replace Google Search. What good options exist to replace search on Google Maps?

    Edit: Also, I think they make most of their money off of ad-sense adds embedded in apps and websites. It'll be very difficult to weed all those out. I just use uBlock on Firefox and Blockada on Android.

    Open Street Maps, or any fork from it. You can also purchase a modern road atlas for basically nothing. Alternatively, people do make navigation units for cars, that you can purchase. Life is completely possible, with relatively little inconvenience if you want to separate yourself from Big Tech. I write down the directions and just follow street signs. You don't want to rely on things like GPS, because it destroys your ability to commit identifying markers to memory. You can glance at the screen and glance at the road in front of you. But that stops you from being able to commit the experience from memory. Smart Tech and the offloading of our mental faculties to technology has made all of us

    1. Way too overconfident in our ability to comprehend, review and parse information.

    2. Decimated our attention spans and will most likely see a whole new type of cognitive decline.

    Sorry for the tangent. But yeah, there's options there. With or without the tech.

  • It might be harder than you think....

    What kind of information are you talking about? Let's be specific. The phone number for a garden center or how a rocket engine works? This won't affect every search the same way. This is actually a fantastically complex question and we'll only really see what happens when it does.

    It's really not. You seem to be insinuating they'll take a nuanced approach and treat different types of websites differently, but there is no reason to believe that is the case, and it's not what they've been doing thus far. Espousing that Google has a sustainable long term plan for the internet that we're too stupid to understand just makes you look ridiculous tbh

  • Fuck them. Use Qwant

    Isn’t that bing?

  • It's really not. You seem to be insinuating they'll take a nuanced approach and treat different types of websites differently, but there is no reason to believe that is the case, and it's not what they've been doing thus far. Espousing that Google has a sustainable long term plan for the internet that we're too stupid to understand just makes you look ridiculous tbh

    You've misunderstood me (let's just say "not deliberately" for a moment). What I'm saying is that regardless of what Google does in terms of long term plans or nuanced anything not all searches are equal. Neither you nor I can say at this point how this will shake out. Also, what have you eaten today? You know what you're like when you don't eat...

  • To avoid misunderstandings: FUCK GOOGLE

    For those who didn't get it... GOOGLE IS SHIT, DON'T USE!

  • You've misunderstood me (let's just say "not deliberately" for a moment). What I'm saying is that regardless of what Google does in terms of long term plans or nuanced anything not all searches are equal. Neither you nor I can say at this point how this will shake out. Also, what have you eaten today? You know what you're like when you don't eat...

    I understood you perfectly, made clear by the fact you're doing it again. You're trying to deflect from the obvious mechanics of this endeavor (let’s just say “not deliberately” for a moment) by saying it's too nuanced and complicated for our tiny pea brains to understand even though it's completely obvious when you use your brain for 5 seconds.

  • We have good options to replace Google Search. What good options exist to replace search on Google Maps?

    Edit: Also, I think they make most of their money off of ad-sense adds embedded in apps and websites. It'll be very difficult to weed all those out. I just use uBlock on Firefox and Blockada on Android.

    OsmAnd. There's also a new fork of Organic Maps called CoMaps after Organic had some drama. A bunch of Organic devs left and forked it into CoMaps.

  • Got a machine web

    It’s better than the rest

    Green to Red

    Machine web

    I'm gonna say it.

    Of the buttrock bands that followed Nirvana's model,... Bush was the best one, for three albums anyway.

  • Google says a new AI tool on its search engine will rejuvenate the internet. Others predict an apocalypse for websites. One thing is clear: the current chapter of online history is careening towards its end. Welcome to the "machine web".

    The web is built on a simple bargain – websites let search engines like Google slurp up their content, free of charge, and Google Search sends people to websites in exchange, where they buy things and look at adverts. That's how most sites make money.

    An estimated 68% of internet activity starts on search engines and about 90% of searches happen on Google. If the internet is a garden, Google is the Sun that lets the flowers grow.

    This arrangement held strong for decades, but a seemingly minor change has some convinced that the system is crumbling. You'll soon see a new AI tool on Google Search. You may find it very useful. But if critics' predictions come true, it will also have seismic consequences for the internet. They paint a picture where quality information could grow scarcer online and large numbers of people might lose their jobs. Optimists say instead this could improve the web's business model and expand opportunities to find great content. But, for better or worse, your digital experiences may never be the same again.

    On 20 May 2025, Google's chief executive Sundar Pichai walked on stage at the company's annual developer conference. It's been a year since the launch of AI Overviews, the AI-generated responses you've probably seen at the top of Google Search results. Now, Pichai said, Google is going further. "For those who want an end-to-end AI Search experience, we are introducing an all-new AI Mode," he said. "It's a total reimagining of Search."

    You might be sceptical after years of AI hype, but this, for once, is the real deal.

    "about to destroy the web" ???

    Where have you been these last 10 years? It's been getting worse for a long time, even before AI. It's just getting worse quicker now.

  • Totally agree with your sentiment. The web is changing. And most people hate change. That's why we see everyone hating on AI right now.

    In reality, LLMs are really useful and convenient. I use them every day. We and the internet just need to adapt to it. I don't have a good solution for it now.

  • For those who didn't get it... GOOGLE IS SHIT, DON'T USE!

    What’s wrong with Google? AI answers are pretty convenient.

  • Qwant was what let me switch off goog. I still use gmaps unfort my experiments with open source maps were failures.

  • What’s wrong with Google? AI answers are pretty convenient.

    conveniently wrong, yeah

  • Google says a new AI tool on its search engine will rejuvenate the internet. Others predict an apocalypse for websites. One thing is clear: the current chapter of online history is careening towards its end. Welcome to the "machine web".

    The web is built on a simple bargain – websites let search engines like Google slurp up their content, free of charge, and Google Search sends people to websites in exchange, where they buy things and look at adverts. That's how most sites make money.

    An estimated 68% of internet activity starts on search engines and about 90% of searches happen on Google. If the internet is a garden, Google is the Sun that lets the flowers grow.

    This arrangement held strong for decades, but a seemingly minor change has some convinced that the system is crumbling. You'll soon see a new AI tool on Google Search. You may find it very useful. But if critics' predictions come true, it will also have seismic consequences for the internet. They paint a picture where quality information could grow scarcer online and large numbers of people might lose their jobs. Optimists say instead this could improve the web's business model and expand opportunities to find great content. But, for better or worse, your digital experiences may never be the same again.

    On 20 May 2025, Google's chief executive Sundar Pichai walked on stage at the company's annual developer conference. It's been a year since the launch of AI Overviews, the AI-generated responses you've probably seen at the top of Google Search results. Now, Pichai said, Google is going further. "For those who want an end-to-end AI Search experience, we are introducing an all-new AI Mode," he said. "It's a total reimagining of Search."

    You might be sceptical after years of AI hype, but this, for once, is the real deal.

    No, but not for want of trying.

  • We have good options to replace Google Search. What good options exist to replace search on Google Maps?

    Edit: Also, I think they make most of their money off of ad-sense adds embedded in apps and websites. It'll be very difficult to weed all those out. I just use uBlock on Firefox and Blockada on Android.

    What are good Google alternatives that don’t rely on Google or Bing?

  • Google says a new AI tool on its search engine will rejuvenate the internet. Others predict an apocalypse for websites. One thing is clear: the current chapter of online history is careening towards its end. Welcome to the "machine web".

    The web is built on a simple bargain – websites let search engines like Google slurp up their content, free of charge, and Google Search sends people to websites in exchange, where they buy things and look at adverts. That's how most sites make money.

    An estimated 68% of internet activity starts on search engines and about 90% of searches happen on Google. If the internet is a garden, Google is the Sun that lets the flowers grow.

    This arrangement held strong for decades, but a seemingly minor change has some convinced that the system is crumbling. You'll soon see a new AI tool on Google Search. You may find it very useful. But if critics' predictions come true, it will also have seismic consequences for the internet. They paint a picture where quality information could grow scarcer online and large numbers of people might lose their jobs. Optimists say instead this could improve the web's business model and expand opportunities to find great content. But, for better or worse, your digital experiences may never be the same again.

    On 20 May 2025, Google's chief executive Sundar Pichai walked on stage at the company's annual developer conference. It's been a year since the launch of AI Overviews, the AI-generated responses you've probably seen at the top of Google Search results. Now, Pichai said, Google is going further. "For those who want an end-to-end AI Search experience, we are introducing an all-new AI Mode," he said. "It's a total reimagining of Search."

    You might be sceptical after years of AI hype, but this, for once, is the real deal.

    That fucking AI thing absolutely sucks for anything factual. I’m a journalist and noticed that it gleefully listed all sorts of factual errors in that AI summary. Stuff that you can see correctly on the original pages, but it somehow manages to misinterpret everything and shows incorrect information.

    And knowing how lazy people are these days, most will happily accept Google’s incorrect information as fact. It’s making me very, very nervous for the future.

  • Quit.... Using... Google... Search

    What’s the best alternative, in your opinion? I’ve tried Bing and DuckDuckGo, but both showed me worse results for my particular searches.

    I just want classic Google Search back, before everything got turned to shit. But I fear that doesn’t really exist since there’s such an economic incentive behind how search engines rank and show results.

  • That fucking AI thing absolutely sucks for anything factual. I’m a journalist and noticed that it gleefully listed all sorts of factual errors in that AI summary. Stuff that you can see correctly on the original pages, but it somehow manages to misinterpret everything and shows incorrect information.

    And knowing how lazy people are these days, most will happily accept Google’s incorrect information as fact. It’s making me very, very nervous for the future.

    My wife and I both googled the same question yesterday and it gave us both completely different answers.

  • What’s the best alternative, in your opinion? I’ve tried Bing and DuckDuckGo, but both showed me worse results for my particular searches.

    I just want classic Google Search back, before everything got turned to shit. But I fear that doesn’t really exist since there’s such an economic incentive behind how search engines rank and show results.

    Searxng - any of the instances hosted in Germany
    Brave search - but only search

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