Matrix.org is Introducing Premium Accounts
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You can't just look at the exchange rate. You have to look at cost and standard of living.
Someone in the US making 100k is not doing as well as someone in France making 70k€
Doing better until you happen to incur a medical emergency, then bankrupt.
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I hate that people treat the US like a country. It's bad for statistics.
The cost of living in New Jersey is 50% higher than Alabama, for example, using the site you linked. Averages across the US are near meaningless.
Since I'm talking about tech jobs, we should compare to states with lots of tech jobs, and we might get a better comparison.
Sure, but that applies to the UK too. London has a higher cost of living than Los Angeles; averages being averages, this is weighed against lots of cheaper places to live (with massive unemployment and stagnated economics).
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I'm sure a roofer would gladly be willing to take over my job as well.
Do you think there are no requirements to being a CEO? Do you think you could do it? I'm wondering how deep this justice fantasy goes. Do you think we'd get a competent CEO at minimum wage?
Turn the argument on yourself.
Do you think we can't get a competent CEO for less than $170k/year? If so, why?
We can, considering how many people work harder for less. There's nothing particularly difficult or unique about this guys' position that justifies his salary. The only reason he's able to get it is because suckers like you are willing to pay for it.
I'm going to ignore you now. Tools are never going to learn from their mistakes or recognize how they're being played.
It's why things are the way they are.
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Wish the homeserver portability would be worked on more. The ability to change homeserver would really allow people to more easily move on from matrix.org.
Myself included ;).
Optimally it would even allow the switch "after the fact", so after your original homeserver is down, assuming your client has a local copy of the server-side secret storage. It would need to be based on some cryptographic identity then, I suppose.
There's something that kinda helps with the migration: https://ems.element.io/tools/matrix-migration
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Turn the argument on yourself.
Do you think we can't get a competent CEO for less than $170k/year? If so, why?
We can, considering how many people work harder for less. There's nothing particularly difficult or unique about this guys' position that justifies his salary. The only reason he's able to get it is because suckers like you are willing to pay for it.
I'm going to ignore you now. Tools are never going to learn from their mistakes or recognize how they're being played.
It's why things are the way they are.
No, I don't think you can get a competent CEO for less than 200k in the tech sector.
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I think there should be a more convenient way to find other public matrix homeserver so that matrix could be more decentralized.
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Listed salaries are almost always what the employee pays, not what it costs the company. In the US, this includes the payroll tax, and cost of "benefits," like healthcare and unemployment insurance, and is referred to as the burdened rate. This is separate from the income tax the employee has to pay to the government, mind you.
The burdened rate for most employees at the companies I've worked for in the US is like 20-50% higher than the salary paid. Not sure exactly how it works in France, but I do know there's a pretty complex payroll tax companies have to pay. I think it's something like 40% at the salary you quoted.
Pretty much the same in France. Companies pay 150% to 200% of the amount that the employee receives, when the employee has a relatively high pay, and the employee then pays a significant amount of its pay in diverse things, then the income tax hits. France is pretty much one of the countries that taxes the most in the world so...
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80k plus all of society's trappings of France. Dude, it's not even a comparison. Worker's rights, healthcare, public transit, safety, security...
Indeed, but it's understandably a super high amount compared to what we get. If you're in good shape, you get way more money. If not, you probably get (a lot) less.
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Listed salaries are almost always what the employee pays, not what it costs the company. In the US, this includes the payroll tax, and cost of "benefits," like healthcare and unemployment insurance, and is referred to as the burdened rate. This is separate from the income tax the employee has to pay to the government, mind you.
The burdened rate for most employees at the companies I've worked for in the US is like 20-50% higher than the salary paid. Not sure exactly how it works in France, but I do know there's a pretty complex payroll tax companies have to pay. I think it's something like 40% at the salary you quoted.
what the employee pays
seems like there's a problem here?
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And a 80k$ salary in France amounts to around 125k$ cost for the employer.
So 170k$ isn't that much - I actually know French developers and network engineers that make similar money.
The French ITsec architect I interviewed last year would have cost me (converted) around 150k$.So 170k$ is absolutely not out of the normal range here.
Talking about France: The French government could start to properly support matrix.org as they use it for tChap. The same goes for Germany with the "Behördenmessenger"
So 170k$ isn’t that much
If that's the amount the company pays, then yea. If this is the amount the employee receives, then that's a lot. Like really.
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You can't just look at the exchange rate. You have to look at cost and standard of living.
Someone in the US making 100k is not doing as well as someone in France making 70k€
Then at this point I start to wonder: why can't they take people in countries where the cost of living is cheaper? When you're funded by donations, this seems more logical
I feel like companies based in the USA and accepting donations make it so that donations from countries outside USA are a lot less meaningfull because we get less money, and they need to spend more.
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So 170k$ isn’t that much
If that's the amount the company pays, then yea. If this is the amount the employee receives, then that's a lot. Like really.
As we are looking at the company expenditures here, it's the former.
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Then at this point I start to wonder: why can't they take people in countries where the cost of living is cheaper? When you're funded by donations, this seems more logical
I feel like companies based in the USA and accepting donations make it so that donations from countries outside USA are a lot less meaningfull because we get less money, and they need to spend more.
You've basically just reinvented off shoring.
CEO don't just run company. Their job is also to determine strategy and work relationships to improve sales/donations. They should be hired wherever they can do that best.
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Indeed, but it's understandably a super high amount compared to what we get. If you're in good shape, you get way more money. If not, you probably get (a lot) less.
Good shape? I think something got lost in translation.
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Good shape? I think something got lost in translation.
I meant good health, no (mental) illness, no medical treatment, already have somewhere to live...
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I meant good health, no (mental) illness, no medical treatment, already have somewhere to live...
Right. For perspective, I once paid $200 for a single Xray (needed 3, total $600, not counting the doctors bill). And that's with health insurance.
If you have to go to urgent care, expect to pay close to $1000 for simple needs, much higher than that for more complex needs. An ambulance ride can cost upwards of $5000, and an airlift is several times that.
So better not be too much into sports, or trauma will drain your bank account.
Then you add the complete absence of consumers rights and little to no oversight on industrial activity. Lead and PFA poisoned water, food additives that are banned in most of the developed world, sugar in everything,... It's near impossible not to get sick here.
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As we are looking at the company expenditures here, it's the former.
Why would it display the priced paid by the company like this, when it doesn't for other countries like France though? Seems weird
Unless USA companies don't pay taxes when paying a salary? But I don't really believe that
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Why would it display the priced paid by the company like this, when it doesn't for other countries like France though? Seems weird
Unless USA companies don't pay taxes when paying a salary? But I don't really believe that
Nah, my bad, the later. Sorry
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There's something that kinda helps with the migration: https://ems.element.io/tools/matrix-migration
It's nice that this exists, but even for this I'd prefer to use an open source tool.
And it of course helps with migration only if the old HS is still online..
I think most practically this migration function would be built inside some Matrix client (one that would support more than one server to start with), but I suppose a standalone tool would be a decent solution as well.
