No, you're right, GOOGLE will take the device identifier, but him talking about how he would need to store it, and especially for channels where he talks about user names and passwords really makes me think that he thinks he personally has to do it, with his own backend storing it. (edit: The point is, that he doesn't HAVE to do it this way. You can, and it gives you more control, but you can let Google do it all. It's never anonymous with anyone though.)

Apple knows which devices have the app installed. They would be able to link that back to the device if it was demanded, even if it is a bit more obscured.

He who saves his Country does not violate any Law

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Just figured I'd add Apples own documentation as well

Registering your app with APNs | Apple Developer Documentation

Communicate with Apple Push Notification service (APNs) and receive a unique device token that identifies your app.

Apple Developer Documentation (developer.apple.com)

Apple Push Notification service (APNs) must know the address of a user’s device before it can send notifications to that device. This address takes the form of a device token unique to both the device and your app. At launch time, your app communicates with APNs and receives its device token, which you then forward to your provider server. Your server includes that token with any notifications it sends.

It's not gone, it's just currently not available in your country or region.

Twenty years ago tracking armed thugs in ski masks would have been called a public service.

I think I was tired

Yeah wasn't thinking anonymity, but keeping something running and making it hard to take down.

I'm still waiting for a day to use this word in real life

You've made a potential error in underestimating just how horrible some peoples' lives are and how filled with hatred they are over that fact. This is really what drives so much of politics in the world--disgruntled people with no future who choose to hate others who have nothing to do with it.

I have experienced some recent schadenfreude with farmers who no longer have workers to harvest because ICE scared them away.

The purpose of the app is to help illegal immigrants evade arrest, and to help “activists” assault and impede ICE. All illegal things.

“Kidnapped” lol. When someone is arrested for murder are they “kidnapped”?

The main difference is that speed traps and cameras etc are deterrents. They’re supposed to make people slow down, that’s the point of signposting them. Knowing where they are makes people slow down. Their existence is to try and stop people from breaking the law.

Knowing where ICE agents are doesn’t stop people from being in the country illegally.

And yes, again, intent matters. No matter how cute people think they’re being by pretending it’s not meant for X, not everyone is stupid and oblivious enough to fall for it.

Haven't followed it much

Oh lord, where do I even start? It's an entire shit show. And not the usual political shit show. A really scary one that's truly heartbreaking. I don't even really feel safe talking about it

Has to be shit is glowing

Fair point. I neglected to consider that we are talking about an app specifically for Americans.

if they can track those who are against them, it's easier to eliminate dissidents

There's one major problem with what you're saying. It's that ICE is actively jailing people without giving them due process. As an entity it is assuming guilt which is in direct conflict with the constitution. Because it's violating the rights of the people it is no longer a government agency acting for the people, and because it's actively breaking the law it is not protected. If you can't understand that without due process they can and possibly will arrest you and deport you somewhere regardless of your constitutional right to reside in the US then you are in fact missing the main point of this app and there's a reason people are down-voting you.

Also, you're making a lot of assumptions about what the app is for, and still posit no actual proof of your position. You have made an assumption here and when confronted about your opinion based on that assumption you have continued to double down instead of even considering the alternatives.

And speed traps aren't intended to be a detterant. I don't know why you think that's the case but in fact they are set up specifically to catch speeders. The deterrence is a bonus. But a lot of police departments make money for their municipality via speeding tickets. So don't try to play like we can just ignore this so you can feel like you've won.

You’ve made a potential error in underestimating just how horrible some peoples’ lives are and how filled with hatred they are over that fact.

What fact? People's lives are horrible BECAUSE of ICE. They're so horrible that I considered that nobody would be "on the fence" because either you drank the Fear-Of-Crime Kool-Aid or you are horrified at what ICE agents are doing to children and poor people. The entire reason there are people who don't think ICE needs to be abolished right now is because Fox News and other right-wing grifters have pumped out propaganda making it look like there is a "crime wave" like it's the Reagan Era, and people living in the Suburbs not knowing what the outside world is like. Not only do they choose to portray a crime wave, they have to do it, because otherwise people would see their president as the power-hungry maniac he is rather than a savior of order. No riot is actually making people miserable, only the police-reported, sensationalist coverage of protests.

This is really what drives so much of politics in the world–disgruntled people with no future who choose to hate others who have nothing to do with it.

That's just the American Suburbs. I hope American states can secede to change this. Meanwhile, in Vietnam, there is a high-speed rail being built. This is not driven by disgruntled people, people with no future, or people who choose not to hate others who have nothing to do with it. Neither is Iran defending itself from an imperialist regime, nor Australia having their left-wing Labour party completely outdo the right-wing Liberal party. America is the villain here.

Using the app becomes obstruction or terrorism. People who do that will also get sent to camps.

It seems far fetched but it's really not. After all, nobody would step to stop either of those things from happening.