Trump Team Has Full Meltdown Over CNN Story on ICE-Tracking App
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There's no way to be anonymous on the play store
Aurora store.
I was quoting them but you're right-or Fdroid ofc
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Android has the greatest mobile OS market share by a massive margin.
But Apple users are far more likely to spend money on apps, making Apple the most lucrative target for mobile developers to target first.
Android has the greatest mobile OS market share by a massive margin.
It’s my understanding this is true globally, but not for the US, where Apple has ~60% share.
(This app should absolutely be cross-platform though)
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Apple have a reasonable track record of pushing back against governments
Only when it comes to individual consumer cases like terrorists or other crimes. When it comes to large scale political movements then they are very quick to lend authoritarian governments a hand, see for example their cooperation with the CCP to suppress the Hong Kong protests. But they have also always cooperated with police to some degree and this has only gotten worse.
Forbes for the lack of a better source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2024/10/09/apple-sells-privacy-to-consumers-but-its-quietly-helping-police-use-iphones-for-surveillance/
There’s a widespread perception that Apple has a combative relationship with law enforcement after the company refused to help the FBI hack into the iPhone of the shooter in the 2015 San Bernardino terrorist attacks. But since then, it has ramped up collaboration with police through the conference and other meetings with agencies at both Cupertino HQ and its Elk Grove campus, as well as a variety of previously unreported projects helping cops use iPhones, Macs, Apple Vision Pro and CarPlay, the emails show. Most of these projects have not been announced publicly.
Apple declined to comment.
People just love believing in Apple for some weird reasons.
I am the biggest Apple hater and they are absolutely not immune from criticism, but they are generally a more private company. The CCP has their hands deep in every corporation on the planet so none of them are immune from that influence. Apple pushed back when the government demanded they dismantle encryption (Google doesn't even offer this) for CSAM. They were also the first to disclose the government push notification collection information.
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Secret police would probably have an interest in lists of people downloading an app tracking their movements no? Particularly if it was downloaded to a mobile tracking device they carry with themselves at most times.
no I honestly don't know how this would help them
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How do you suppose APNS knows which device to deliver the notification to?
Something that... links it to the device? Like, a unique ID that Apple can identify?
It sounds like he thinks HE has to store this information, which is simply incorrect. It will obviously be stored by Google in Firebase, and by Apple wherever that gets stored, but HE does not have to store it.
I write apps for a living. I have users subscribe and unsubscribe to channels, and at no point is there a user account with password involved in either iOS or Android. If you want the memory of which channels they have subscribed to to persist across uninstall/reinstalls or different devices, then yes, but for an app like this you don't need to persist those settings.
At any point the government could subpoena who's received pushes (or at least, who's registered to) from both Google and Apple.
I’m not the developer, but I do also write app backends for a living so I know there is some nuance that you’re skipping over in your response. But if you have a way to do this completely anonymous on android I’d suggest offering help to the developer who made this.
Something that... links it to the device? Like, a unique ID that Apple can identify?
APNS tokens are linked to the app install and renew on a certain timeline. Already making them not exactly the same as a device identifier.
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Shouldn’t be an app. It should be a site accessible using vpn and private browsing with an appropriate browser. Nobody should have to worry about the Stasi finding the app on their phone regardless of the situation.
Websites don't support push notifications in a way that normies understand. They're also generally unreliable. And these are time-sensitive matters.
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I’m not the developer, but I do also write app backends for a living so I know there is some nuance that you’re skipping over in your response. But if you have a way to do this completely anonymous on android I’d suggest offering help to the developer who made this.
Something that... links it to the device? Like, a unique ID that Apple can identify?
APNS tokens are linked to the app install and renew on a certain timeline. Already making them not exactly the same as a device identifier.
No, you're right, GOOGLE will take the device identifier, but him talking about how he would need to store it, and especially for channels where he talks about user names and passwords really makes me think that he thinks he personally has to do it, with his own backend storing it. (edit: The point is, that he doesn't HAVE to do it this way. You can, and it gives you more control, but you can let Google do it all. It's never anonymous with anyone though.)
Apple knows which devices have the app installed. They would be able to link that back to the device if it was demanded, even if it is a bit more obscured.
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I would imagine this is very similar to marking a cop on Waze and completely legal which is why they are throwing a hissy fit.
He who saves his Country does not violate any Law
- Donald Trump
- Napoleon
- Donald Trump
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I’m not the developer, but I do also write app backends for a living so I know there is some nuance that you’re skipping over in your response. But if you have a way to do this completely anonymous on android I’d suggest offering help to the developer who made this.
Something that... links it to the device? Like, a unique ID that Apple can identify?
APNS tokens are linked to the app install and renew on a certain timeline. Already making them not exactly the same as a device identifier.
Just figured I'd add Apples own documentation as well
Registering your app with APNs | Apple Developer Documentation
Communicate with Apple Push Notification service (APNs) and receive a unique device token that identifies your app.
Apple Developer Documentation (developer.apple.com)
Apple Push Notification service (APNs) must know the address of a user’s device before it can send notifications to that device. This address takes the form of a device token unique to both the device and your app. At launch time, your app communicates with APNs and receives its device token, which you then forward to your provider server. Your server includes that token with any notifications it sends.
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It sounds like a honeypot to me. But I would be happy to be proven wrong.
Edit: and it’s gone?
It's not gone, it's just currently not available in your country or region.
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Twenty years ago tracking armed thugs in ski masks would have been called a public service.
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*federated
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If you mean something on fediverse: while that would be hard to take down or block, it’s far from anonymous
Yeah wasn't thinking anonymity, but keeping something running and making it hard to take down.
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Defenestrated
I'm still waiting for a day to use this word in real life
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PR for who? Who is on the fence about ICE?
You've made a potential error in underestimating just how horrible some peoples' lives are and how filled with hatred they are over that fact. This is really what drives so much of politics in the world--disgruntled people with no future who choose to hate others who have nothing to do with it.
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Probably lots of people in red states. Farmers for instance, people who generally buy the Republican bullshit, but may personally rely heavily on immigrant workers. ICE puts them in a really tough position.
I have experienced some recent schadenfreude with farmers who no longer have workers to harvest because ICE scared them away.
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Showing the current location of [what is supposed to be] a public servant in a public location acting publicly is not doxxing.
The purpose of the app is to help illegal immigrants evade arrest, and to help “activists” assault and impede ICE. All illegal things.
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Multiple natural born citizens have been kidnapped by ICE. Surely you've heard of that under your rock by now.
“Kidnapped” lol. When someone is arrested for murder are they “kidnapped”?
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In all actuality I believe the point of being able to report a speed trap is to allow people to avoid getting caught breaking the law which amounts to the same thing.
Google maps and Waze can absolutely be used to show where to attack law enforcement. They can also be used to avoid law enforcement. What you're saying is that you feel like the intention of the app is to break the law in some way but you've been given a similar app that does basically the same thing and you back up nothing or what you've said with documented case law or even the laws you think this app is breaking. Cool. Good talk.
The main difference is that speed traps and cameras etc are deterrents. They’re supposed to make people slow down, that’s the point of signposting them. Knowing where they are makes people slow down. Their existence is to try and stop people from breaking the law.
Knowing where ICE agents are doesn’t stop people from being in the country illegally.
And yes, again, intent matters. No matter how cute people think they’re being by pretending it’s not meant for X, not everyone is stupid and oblivious enough to fall for it.
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Haven't followed it much (EU), can you elaborate who did what and what can be done potentially?
Haven't followed it much
Oh lord, where do I even start? It's an entire shit show. And not the usual political shit show. A really scary one that's truly heartbreaking. I don't even really feel safe talking about it
