You can use your dozen wired headphones you already have with a $10 usb-c -> 3.5mm adapter.

I hope you’re not suggesting that people store all of their photos and movies and stuff on their phones SD card and SD card only……

SD cards are absurdly volatile and prone to corruption.

They’re really no different to a regular iPhone or iPhone pro in terms of size.

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Unless you want to use them with a device that doesn’t have a headphone jack.

Then you’re going to have to go and start your own phone company. Good luck to you, let us know when your phone comes out.

This would make sense if the only Bluetooth headphones that worked with the phone were made by the same company, but alas, that’s not how it works.

The reason they don’t have a headphone jack anymore is because it’s easier to make without it, saves money, has a built in replacement in BT, and people overwhelmingly love BT headphones due to being wireless.

**Snapdragon 8 gen 2 enters the chat..

Problem is BT headphones last 2 years then they go in the garbage because the batteries are dead. How eco-friendly is that!?

My 7 years old bluetooth headphone would disagree.

It is. We had it on phones since before the original iPhone. No one wants to take that away.

And no one except a vocal minority want to keep it. There are a lot on data on that, and manufacturer make their decision on that data.

But lets ignore that, and let's take my viewpoint as a customer. I don't want a port I have no use for. I don't want a DAC I have no use for. I don't want the extra weight that comes with them.

My needs conflict with yours, so what's the only way to make both of us somewhat happy? That's by making the 3.5mm jack an addon, which is what any manufacturer that does not focus on music listening would do.

Exactly, they want the most amount of customers. But they won't sacrifice AxB customers to satisfy B customers. They'd be effectively losing customers or breaking even at a higher cost to them.

We know this numbers must have a population of around 180 thousand customers. The known number of fairphones sold across all models so far. Now let's make assumptions. Let's suppose that there are 100 people who want headphone jacks and would absolutely buy a fairphone if they came with it, for each user that has advocated for headphone jacks in this thread. You wouldn't even break 1% of the total number of fairphone sales, just this year (130k).

Again, there's a difference between wanting something a lot. And actually making decisions based on what we say we want. Fairphone removed the headphone jack on a model that broke sales records for them. Fairphone 5 was heavily criticized for not having a headphone jack. And it is selling comfortably well within their expectations. So obviously the people who stopped buying Fairphones because of the headphone jack weren't that many actually.

I assume I'd have the same problem with graphene.

There's a list of bank apps that work in Grapheme. You can check for yours here

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Far too few I'm afraid

No, we aren't forgetting. Precisely because they are a corporation driven by profits like any other, they will do what sells units. It actually goes against the argument for headphone jacks. It is an admission that the people who vocally want phones with headphone jacks don't buy phones (even if they have headphone jacks) and are an statistically insignificant amount of people. My original point. You are vocal, but disingenuous (perhaps not on purpose).

Fairphone catered to the mass market with the Fairphone 4 (and removed the headphone jack) and broke their own sales records. Sorry, that's just the truth. What you want is against the grain of the rest of the market. Yes, even the market who want repairable modular phones.

Because when push comes to shove, you might want the headphone jack but it doesn't drive your purchase decision. And that's the important part. As an example, another person on this very thread asked what phone with a headphone jack is good, someone else gave a suggestion and immediately got the reply.

I considered that phone, but it didn't have an OLED screen, so I didn't buy it.

Admitting that — despite being very vocal about wanting the headphone jack — that feature is actually low in their own list of decision making priorities. At the very least it is below screen quality. Raising the question, where should a profit driven company choose to invest money in when presented with that customer?

In marketing, people are usually very vocal about things that actually don't influence their own purchase decisions. That's just a fact, people are very bad at knowing what they want. That's why you should always observe their behavior, not just ask their opinion. Because a lot of people express opinions they don't uphold with actions.

I just checked my phone and the up/down speed for files is roughly 40MB/s despite having a USB 3 connection.

USB 2 has a max. transfer rate (under optimal conditions) of 60MB/s, so I think when the phone storage improves a bit or the cable is a bit longer it will likely become a bottleneck.

Also note that there are other applications than transfering files which might need more bandwidth.

To be fair it really doesn't make much of a difference but USB 3 is now the standard for a century and has been around since 2008 so I somewhere expect a 600€ phone to also have it.

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I mean, yes. It is about marketing. I just think there are more people who think wires are annoying than people losing their earbuds. For every person who loses BT earbuds every 3 months, there's a person with the same pair for 3+ years who is perfectly happy with wireless quality. Companies don't care about that. They care about decisions that will reduce costs and increase their profits, and Fairphone desperately need profits. Making phones is idiotically expensive.

“It's not in front of my face, so it doesn't exists!”

That's literally the thinking abilities of a toddler. Wireless chargers sell like hotcakes. MagSafe charger is Apple's most popular accessory in their entire history.

But they won’t sacrifice AxB customers to satisfy B customers.

That's the kicker. Adding a headphone jack doesn't mean they have to sacrifice something. They can just do it without having to remove/reduce anything. If adding a jack was really that difficult, something like what you can see in this video wouldn't be possible.

You have to preeeety gullible to believe their reasons for not adding it. The only reason was that they wanted to sell their bluetooth earbuds, that's it.

Or there wasn't good enough engineering to begin with to achieve usb 3 speeds. Seems like they should have got it right before using it as a reason to cripple the thing further.

Thanks for the link. I can't necessarily agree that it's low impact, transferring files at 2.0 speeds is brutal.

You know you’ve got not argument when you have to compare a $700 dollar phone to a $5 dongle for your argument to even make sense.

Oh, so I should buy $100 dongles then? lol Everyone's argument about the dongles is that they're super cheap, that's why I made the comparison.

In those phones the DAC is used primarily for phone calls.

Oh really? And how exactly do you think that the phone is generating the audio that comes through its speaker when you're doing anything else? Like listening to music, videos, etc? Does your phone really not make a single sound apart from the audio in phone calls?

I wasn’t talking about some cheap $5 dongle, I specifically said quality headphones

headphone =/= dongle

The dongle is what you connect TO the headphone. Regardless, be more specific then. What's the one you recommend? Should I buy $50 dongles then and keep them attached to my headphones? Since I use 4/5 of them does that mean that it's ok in your opinion that I now need to spend $250 in dongles instead of just having a tiny, cheap, reliable jack on my $700 phone?