People don’t want to pay for privacy. That’s the real problem with end users. Imagine if more people did so. What a world we could have. Nah. Let’s be cheap AF!

I don't follow? If you mean simplicity in terms of ease of use you might as well use BT headphones as you don't have to worry about any wire management. Ease of use is the main reason BT headphones are the go to for most people. No carefully packing the wires so it won't break, no accidental wiring mess or anything wire related. You just turn them on (which for most in-ear ones just means taking them out of the case), stick them to your ear and you're good to go.

If you meant anything else by simplicity you need to expand that idea.

What features would that include that the phone doesn't already have?
I'm currently an iPhone user, but I'm looking to move to a more open source alternative.

In addition to @timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works: I don't need pairing, I don't have to deal with bad reception, it's harder to loose wired ones and even if I loose them, new ones cost a fraction of bt ones.
Also I still have some wired ones.
The simplicity of simply plugging them in and it just works is something really abstract to alternatives.

Okay? Literally nothing you said applies to USB-C headphones. Except for this part:

The simplicity of simply plugging them in and it just works is something really abstract to alternatives.

Doesn't seem to have one.

But to be honest, most headphone jacks on these slim phones suck and even a cheap USB-c to audio jack dongle is better than the average phone headphone jack.

The devices from Fiio show that it is still possibile to create a good quality Android device with a good headphone jack, but we might need thicker phones.
I just use dongles or audio players

A thicker phone would be great. All these manufacturers forgot at some point we actually need to hold these things with a human hand.

Having said that my fp4 is actually a pretty good thickness. They just screwed that up by rounding the the edge so much seemingly to reduce contact grip.

Are you aware why it is called "Fair Phone"?

Maybe look into that, before complaining about the price, it makes you look stupid.

What about the price is simultaneous charging?

How often do you charge your phone and listen to music at the same time? And is that really something you cannot compromise on?

Yep same here. Also they're not capable of installing grapheneos which is kind of a deal breaker for me.

So with framework you can keep the cpu and camera and swap out the Mobo for a better one?

One example - I charge it when using it for navigation in the car while at the same time listening to music.

FP would be a good choice for Graphene.

Like I've said before- their market is small enough they should be trying to get everyone they can to buy it.

Resorting to insults really?

3.5mm Aux takes up a shit load of space to connect 4 analog wires. If a phone has Aux it should at the very least be 2.5mm.

It makes no sense to me why you can't just use an adapter.

More battery > Redundant analog cable most people don't use anyway.

I might be a idiot as you say, but the people at Fairphone don't seem to be because they ditched AUX as they should have

Doesn't seem to have one.

But to be honest, most headphone jacks on these slim phones suck and even a cheap USB-c to audio jack dongle is better than the average phone headphone jack.

The devices from Fiio show that it is still possibile to create a good quality Android device with a good headphone jack, but we might need thicker phones.
I just use dongles or audio players

• They are expensive. You can get wired earphones for 2 euros that actually work and are reasonably durable. It's not a great loss if they fall in a puddle or if I step on them.
• They are a lot more failure prone. Half of those I tried didn't work or only half worked, and those that did work didn't last very long.
• They have shitty range. I can use a 10 meters extension cord with wired earphones if I want to.
• They require charging. And it's a law of physics that everything that requires charging always run out at the most inconvenient time.
• Also THEY ALWAYS GET LOST. Wireless earphones, mouse, controllers... it doesn't matter, if it's not attached with a cable they'll just disappear.

I respect your opinion, but I lived through 90s computing and think dongles died the death they deserve and these phone manufacturers can go to hell for bringing them back or thinking that bluetooth audio is good enough.

Additionally most of the droids I have bought that have a jack are the perfect thickness in my mind. Weighted enough to stay in my hand and take a couple dozen drops without accident. Plus the headphone jack is used as an antenna and provides radio capabilities so I can listen to local news instead of whatever the tech industry wants to feed me. Which is a nice option.