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Palantir Exposed: The New Deep State [27:27 | JUN 10 2025 | Glenn Greenwald]

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    • Main Topic: The video discusses Palantir Technologies and its increasing role in centralizing and managing US government data, raising concerns about privacy and potential abuse of power.

    • Key Points:

      • An executive order in 2025 aimed to eliminate information silos within the government, centralizing data access.
      • Palantir is heavily involved in building databases for government agencies, including immigration enforcement (Doge project), the IRS, CDC and Homeland Security.
      • The speaker draws parallels to the Patriot Act and post-9/11 surveillance expansions, arguing that justifications for data collection often lead to broader applications beyond the initial stated purpose.
      • Concerns are raised about the lack of oversight and potential for misuse of centralized data by Palantir, a private company.
      • The video highlights the historical context of Palantir's founding, linking it to the "Total Information Awareness" initiative and figures like John Poindexter.
      • The speaker emphasizes the irony of a private company now holding the kind of data that caused public outcry when the NSA was revealed to be collecting it.
    • Highlights:

      • The Trump administration's motto: "Everyone is converting to Palantir."
      • Palantir's involvement in managing sensitive data across multiple federal agencies, including health and financial information.
      • The connection between Palantir's founders and the "Total Information Awareness" program.
      • The comparison of Palantir's current role to the NSA's controversial data collection practices revealed by Edward Snowden.
      • The video ends with a call for more attention to Palantir's activities and its potential impact on civil liberties.

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    • Main Topic: The video discusses Palantir Technologies and its increasing role in centralizing and managing US government data, raising concerns about privacy and potential abuse of power.

    • Key Points:

      • An executive order in 2025 aimed to eliminate information silos within the government, centralizing data access.
      • Palantir is heavily involved in building databases for government agencies, including immigration enforcement (Doge project), the IRS, CDC and Homeland Security.
      • The speaker draws parallels to the Patriot Act and post-9/11 surveillance expansions, arguing that justifications for data collection often lead to broader applications beyond the initial stated purpose.
      • Concerns are raised about the lack of oversight and potential for misuse of centralized data by Palantir, a private company.
      • The video highlights the historical context of Palantir's founding, linking it to the "Total Information Awareness" initiative and figures like John Poindexter.
      • The speaker emphasizes the irony of a private company now holding the kind of data that caused public outcry when the NSA was revealed to be collecting it.
    • Highlights:

      • The Trump administration's motto: "Everyone is converting to Palantir."
      • Palantir's involvement in managing sensitive data across multiple federal agencies, including health and financial information.
      • The connection between Palantir's founders and the "Total Information Awareness" program.
      • The comparison of Palantir's current role to the NSA's controversial data collection practices revealed by Edward Snowden.
      • The video ends with a call for more attention to Palantir's activities and its potential impact on civil liberties.

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    If only people weren't so dismissive of Snowden when he exposed Palantir and the NSA

  • cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/31160697

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    • Main Topic: The video discusses Palantir Technologies and its increasing role in centralizing and managing US government data, raising concerns about privacy and potential abuse of power.

    • Key Points:

      • An executive order in 2025 aimed to eliminate information silos within the government, centralizing data access.
      • Palantir is heavily involved in building databases for government agencies, including immigration enforcement (Doge project), the IRS, CDC and Homeland Security.
      • The speaker draws parallels to the Patriot Act and post-9/11 surveillance expansions, arguing that justifications for data collection often lead to broader applications beyond the initial stated purpose.
      • Concerns are raised about the lack of oversight and potential for misuse of centralized data by Palantir, a private company.
      • The video highlights the historical context of Palantir's founding, linking it to the "Total Information Awareness" initiative and figures like John Poindexter.
      • The speaker emphasizes the irony of a private company now holding the kind of data that caused public outcry when the NSA was revealed to be collecting it.
    • Highlights:

      • The Trump administration's motto: "Everyone is converting to Palantir."
      • Palantir's involvement in managing sensitive data across multiple federal agencies, including health and financial information.
      • The connection between Palantir's founders and the "Total Information Awareness" program.
      • The comparison of Palantir's current role to the NSA's controversial data collection practices revealed by Edward Snowden.
      • The video ends with a call for more attention to Palantir's activities and its potential impact on civil liberties.

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    Fuck Glenn Greenwald. He is a russian shill and supports russian genocidal imperialism.

    I hope one day he meets the same fate as "Donbas cowboy", Russell Bentley:

    Bentley’s wife, Lyudmila, then claimed that Russian soldiers from a tank battalion abducted him.

    According to the Investigative Committee, Vansyatsky, Agaltsev, and Iordanov tortured Bentley on April 8, and he died shortly afterward.

    Vansyatsky and Agaltsev are suspected of blowing up a car with Bentley’s body in it and ordering Bazhin to get rid of what was left of his remains.

  • If only people weren't so dismissive of Snowden when he exposed Palantir and the NSA

    Snowden exposed Palantir?

    You Americans really need some heroes. Snowden might have done some good, but as soon as things got hot he folded like a cheap lawn chair and openly supported russian genocidal imperialism.

    I hope Snowden and his family (his wife and kid) meet the same fate as they wish for Ukrainians in internment camps in the occupied territories.

  • If only people weren't so dismissive of Snowden when he exposed Palantir and the NSA

    I agree, but don't forget how MSM and the duopoly treat whistleblowers, as well as the Russiagate smears.

    Propaganda works; that is why so much money is involved in politics and media.


    Any thoughts on Whitney Web?

    From what I know, she seems to be a great investigative journalist who has spoken about the surveillance state, Palantir, Peter Thiel, Jeffrey Epstein, and what industries have ties to organized crime.

    Here is her archived website:

    1. Homepage: https://archive.ph/wip/BdzIu | https://unlimitedhangout.com/
    2. Authors: https://archive.is/oVpM5 | https://unlimitedhangout.com/content-blocks/author/
    3. Palantir: https://archive.ph/1CBxh | https://unlimitedhangout.com/?s=Palantir

    About:

    Whitney Webb has been a professional writer, researcher and journalist since 2016. She has written for several websites and, from 2017 to 2020, was a staff writer and senior investigative reporter for Mint Press News. She currently writes for The Last American Vagabond and hosts an independent podcast called Unlimited Hangout.

    Whitney has made numerous radio, television and video appearances, appearing on left-leaning programs like The Real News Network, Media Roots and The Zero Hour as well as right-leaning programs like The Tom Woods Show and The QTR podcast. Her work aims to highlight under-reported issues and find common ground between people of different political persuasions regarding corruption, government overreach, the lack of accountability for militaries and intelligence agencies and the military-industrial complex.

    She is currently writing a book on the Jeffrey Epstein scandal based on her viral investigative series and has contributed to a soon-to-be available book on the Coronavirus Epidemic authored by former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney. Whitney lives in Chile with her 2 year old daughter and her dogs, Worf and Sisko.^[[1] https://archive.ph/CFF74 | https://unlimitedhangout.com/about-me/]

  • cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/31160697

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    • Main Topic: The video discusses Palantir Technologies and its increasing role in centralizing and managing US government data, raising concerns about privacy and potential abuse of power.

    • Key Points:

      • An executive order in 2025 aimed to eliminate information silos within the government, centralizing data access.
      • Palantir is heavily involved in building databases for government agencies, including immigration enforcement (Doge project), the IRS, CDC and Homeland Security.
      • The speaker draws parallels to the Patriot Act and post-9/11 surveillance expansions, arguing that justifications for data collection often lead to broader applications beyond the initial stated purpose.
      • Concerns are raised about the lack of oversight and potential for misuse of centralized data by Palantir, a private company.
      • The video highlights the historical context of Palantir's founding, linking it to the "Total Information Awareness" initiative and figures like John Poindexter.
      • The speaker emphasizes the irony of a private company now holding the kind of data that caused public outcry when the NSA was revealed to be collecting it.
    • Highlights:

      • The Trump administration's motto: "Everyone is converting to Palantir."
      • Palantir's involvement in managing sensitive data across multiple federal agencies, including health and financial information.
      • The connection between Palantir's founders and the "Total Information Awareness" program.
      • The comparison of Palantir's current role to the NSA's controversial data collection practices revealed by Edward Snowden.
      • The video ends with a call for more attention to Palantir's activities and its potential impact on civil liberties.

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    Independent, Unencumbered Analysis and Investigative Reporting, Captive to No Dogma or Faction.

    I would also like to say, fuck Glenn Greenwald.

    And here is a better source on why fuck Palantir: Behind The Bastards

  • Snowden exposed Palantir?

    You Americans really need some heroes. Snowden might have done some good, but as soon as things got hot he folded like a cheap lawn chair and openly supported russian genocidal imperialism.

    I hope Snowden and his family (his wife and kid) meet the same fate as they wish for Ukrainians in internment camps in the occupied territories.

    That ain't cool. That kid didn't decide that.

  • That ain't cool. That kid didn't decide that.

    While I genuinely understand where you're coming from, his kid will almost certainly grow up to be a russian genocidal imperialist.

  • While I genuinely understand where you're coming from, his kid will almost certainly grow up to be a russian genocidal imperialist.

    Cross that bridge when you get there, it's a child.

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    • Main Topic: The video discusses Palantir Technologies and its increasing role in centralizing and managing US government data, raising concerns about privacy and potential abuse of power.

    • Key Points:

      • An executive order in 2025 aimed to eliminate information silos within the government, centralizing data access.
      • Palantir is heavily involved in building databases for government agencies, including immigration enforcement (Doge project), the IRS, CDC and Homeland Security.
      • The speaker draws parallels to the Patriot Act and post-9/11 surveillance expansions, arguing that justifications for data collection often lead to broader applications beyond the initial stated purpose.
      • Concerns are raised about the lack of oversight and potential for misuse of centralized data by Palantir, a private company.
      • The video highlights the historical context of Palantir's founding, linking it to the "Total Information Awareness" initiative and figures like John Poindexter.
      • The speaker emphasizes the irony of a private company now holding the kind of data that caused public outcry when the NSA was revealed to be collecting it.
    • Highlights:

      • The Trump administration's motto: "Everyone is converting to Palantir."
      • Palantir's involvement in managing sensitive data across multiple federal agencies, including health and financial information.
      • The connection between Palantir's founders and the "Total Information Awareness" program.
      • The comparison of Palantir's current role to the NSA's controversial data collection practices revealed by Edward Snowden.
      • The video ends with a call for more attention to Palantir's activities and its potential impact on civil liberties.

    About Channel:

    Independent, Unencumbered Analysis and Investigative Reporting, Captive to No Dogma or Faction.

    I thought Glenn worked for Theil, is this video one of his slimy tricks? He said only elites fear Trump. That Bannon was a socialist. Even pretended to care about Palestinians, who are now being erased from existence. I wont watch the video. I have heard all I need to from that man.

  • Snowden exposed Palantir?

    You Americans really need some heroes. Snowden might have done some good, but as soon as things got hot he folded like a cheap lawn chair and openly supported russian genocidal imperialism.

    I hope Snowden and his family (his wife and kid) meet the same fate as they wish for Ukrainians in internment camps in the occupied territories.

    Ukraine, like many other countries, is being used as a pawn for the Western regime's agenda.

    It seems like Western pro-war people are okay with continuing this war until the last Ukrainian is kidnapped and sent to the front lines so that the oligarchs can gain more natural resources and military contracts.

    Propaganda really works on most Western people; Russiagate and Russiophobia are still seen as serious issues...

    Even after we learned (Snowden leaks) that our governments lie to us so they can maximize their for-profit forever wars in the Middle East, now they are attempting to antagonize Iran and China.

  • Ukraine, like many other countries, is being used as a pawn for the Western regime's agenda.

    It seems like Western pro-war people are okay with continuing this war until the last Ukrainian is kidnapped and sent to the front lines so that the oligarchs can gain more natural resources and military contracts.

    Propaganda really works on most Western people; Russiagate and Russiophobia are still seen as serious issues...

    Even after we learned (Snowden leaks) that our governments lie to us so they can maximize their for-profit forever wars in the Middle East, now they are attempting to antagonize Iran and China.

    You can fuck right off with your "pawn for the West", you tankie cockroach.

    I live in Ukraine (I am originally from Donbas no less). Let's hope you end up in the Izolyatsia camp in occupied Donetsk oblast. You're word salad about "Ukraine being a pawn" isn't going to help you there. They are not going to care that you helped spread russian propaganda.

    You don't speak Ukrainian, you've never lived in Ukraine and you have no clue what you are talking about.

  • Fuck Glenn Greenwald. He is a russian shill and supports russian genocidal imperialism.

    I hope one day he meets the same fate as "Donbas cowboy", Russell Bentley:

    Bentley’s wife, Lyudmila, then claimed that Russian soldiers from a tank battalion abducted him.

    According to the Investigative Committee, Vansyatsky, Agaltsev, and Iordanov tortured Bentley on April 8, and he died shortly afterward.

    Vansyatsky and Agaltsev are suspected of blowing up a car with Bentley’s body in it and ordering Bazhin to get rid of what was left of his remains.

    I understand why the highly emotional response; we all have our subject that is dear to us. Mine is the Palestine genocide that is funded and fully supported by my country, the United States.

    Fuck Glenn Greenwald. He is a russian shill and supports russian genocidal

    I would implore you to stop only consuming Western pro-war propaganda and check out people like Professor Jeffrey Sachs.

    He outlines, in simple terms, the events that led to the war between Ukraine and Russia, as well as the Western push to also antagonize Iran and China.

    Self-built echo chambers and self-censorship are not healthy, nor do they help our society; we must always be critical of our governments and the politicians (paid-off lackeys of the owner class, oligarchs).

  • I understand why the highly emotional response; we all have our subject that is dear to us. Mine is the Palestine genocide that is funded and fully supported by my country, the United States.

    Fuck Glenn Greenwald. He is a russian shill and supports russian genocidal

    I would implore you to stop only consuming Western pro-war propaganda and check out people like Professor Jeffrey Sachs.

    He outlines, in simple terms, the events that led to the war between Ukraine and Russia, as well as the Western push to also antagonize Iran and China.

    Self-built echo chambers and self-censorship are not healthy, nor do they help our society; we must always be critical of our governments and the politicians (paid-off lackeys of the owner class, oligarchs).

    Sashs and Greenwald are russian shills and support russian gencidal imperialism.

    Neither of them speak Ukrainian or russian (and have never lived in Ukraine or russia) and are merely reciting russian propaganda narratives (at times directly sourced from russian security services).

    There is a beautiful irony in you chimping out about "echo chambers" and self-censorship when you can't even read Ukrainian or russian.

    If you could read russian, you would find that their doctrinal government writings on propaganda approaches (from the 90s no less) specifically cite idiots like you (it's something along the lines of the "useful idiot" term, albeit the texts go into more detailed descriptions) and shills like Sachs as a core area for foreign propaganda distribution.

  • I would also like to say, fuck Glenn Greenwald.

    And here is a better source on why fuck Palantir: Behind The Bastards

    It seems the divide and conquer strategy still works really well.

    Glenn Greenwald is not a perfect person, but we cannot deny his great work as a journalist, his work with Snowden, and his continued integrity with his show, System Update.

    Is the problem with him political tribalism, maybe due to him not supporting your preferred party (duopoly, blue or red team), or the distractions from the oligarchy (culture wars and identity politics, instead of focusing on addressing our society's systematic economic issues)?

    I think he is worth uniting with.

    “I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong.” – Frederick Douglass


    Anyway, thanks for the link. I have heard of them, but I am not familiar.

    Quick info. about video:

    Part One: How Peter Thiel Became the Gravedigger of Democracy [01:11:59 | OCT 30 2025 | Behind the Bastards]

    Generated Summary:

    Main Topic:

    The video, "Part One: How Peter Thiel Became the Gravedigger of Democracy," explores the early life and formative experiences of Peter Thiel, aiming to understand the origins of his controversial political views and actions.

    Key Points:

    • Peter Thiel's Background: The hosts discuss Thiel's upbringing, including his birth in Germany, his family's move to Cleveland due to his father's work in the oil and gas industry, and a subsequent move to Namibia (Southwest Africa) where his father worked at a uranium mine during the apartheid era.
    • Family Influences: The video touches on the differing accounts of Thiel's parents' political leanings (Republican vs. Christian conservatives) and the impact of a specific childhood conversation about death.
    • Early Personality and Interests: Thiel is portrayed as an intelligent but somewhat isolated child who excelled academically, enjoyed chess, and was deeply immersed in fantasy literature like "The Lord of the Rings" and Dungeons and Dragons.
    • Libertarianism and Anti-Communism: The video highlights Thiel's development of libertarian and anti-communist views, influenced by Ayn Rand and the political climate of Silicon Valley.
    • Experiences with Bullying: The hosts discuss how Thiel was bullied as a child, which may have contributed to his misanthropic views.
    • Emphasis on Education: The video emphasizes the pressure Thiel felt to succeed academically and attend a prestigious university.

    Highlights:

    • The discussion of Thiel's father's involvement with a uranium mine in Namibia during apartheid, drawing a parallel between Thiel's childhood and a "supervillain origin story."
    • The anecdote about Thiel's intense reaction to losing a chess match, even a scrimmage, suggesting a deep-seated need to win.
    • The characterization of Thiel as a "wizard" figure by his peers, someone who was admired but also seen as fundamentally separate and unknowable.
    • The mention of Thiel's later-in-life interest in anti-aging research and technologies.
  • Sashs and Greenwald are russian shills and support russian gencidal imperialism.

    Neither of them speak Ukrainian or russian (and have never lived in Ukraine or russia) and are merely reciting russian propaganda narratives (at times directly sourced from russian security services).

    There is a beautiful irony in you chimping out about "echo chambers" and self-censorship when you can't even read Ukrainian or russian.

    If you could read russian, you would find that their doctrinal government writings on propaganda approaches (from the 90s no less) specifically cite idiots like you (it's something along the lines of the "useful idiot" term, albeit the texts go into more detailed descriptions) and shills like Sachs as a core area for foreign propaganda distribution.

    Ah, you also like to use Douglas Murray's desperate attempts at gatekeeping what people can and can't talk about.

    I have not been to Palestine, nor do I speak Arabic, but I fully support the Palestinian people, and I know what my country is doing is fully supporting a genocide.

    I don't need to visit a certain country or speak any language to be able to see what is really going on.

    More forever wars where the working class is sent to die while the oligarchs sit back and take all the important resources.


    Edit:

    1. Word:, Palestine, Palestinian
  • Ah, you also like to use Douglas Murray's desperate attempts at gatekeeping what people can and can't talk about.

    I have not been to Palestine, nor do I speak Arabic, but I fully support the Palestinian people, and I know what my country is doing is fully supporting a genocide.

    I don't need to visit a certain country or speak any language to be able to see what is really going on.

    More forever wars where the working class is sent to die while the oligarchs sit back and take all the important resources.


    Edit:

    1. Word:, Palestine, Palestinian

    Wonderful irony that you can't even get the term Palestinian right (the individual initially said Pakistani).

    You are so concerned about the plight of the Palestinians, that you can't even state their nationality correctly. 🤣

    I have to say, thank you for the entertainment!

    There is a reason russian propaganda manuals explicitly cite individuals like you as a perfect vehicle for propaganda and undermining foreign countries.

    You don't know jack shit about the Ukrainian or russian working class and about Ukrainian/russian oligarchs.

    Can you name one Ukrainian oligarch without a web search? Russian ones should be easier, but I bet you would struggle to name three.

  • Wonderful irony that you can't even get the term Palestinian right (the individual initially said Pakistani).

    You are so concerned about the plight of the Palestinians, that you can't even state their nationality correctly. 🤣

    I have to say, thank you for the entertainment!

    There is a reason russian propaganda manuals explicitly cite individuals like you as a perfect vehicle for propaganda and undermining foreign countries.

    You don't know jack shit about the Ukrainian or russian working class and about Ukrainian/russian oligarchs.

    Can you name one Ukrainian oligarch without a web search? Russian ones should be easier, but I bet you would struggle to name three.

    Having misspellings and typos is your concern...

    Weird, but you do you.

    FYI: You also edited your comment, but you did not mention the edit...

    Also, being exposed to only Western propaganda is not the honor you seem to believe it is.

    We can all come to certain conclusions without needing (your preferred boogeyman) making us a puppet, bot, or brainwashed.

    Just check out the Uhuru movement:

    [Legal Implications and First Amendment Rights] Uhuru Three FREED! [13:35 | DEC 18 24 | Sabby Sabs] https://lemmy.world/post/23366029

    Nick Cruse and Chairman Omali From Uhuru Speak! Free Leonard Peltier! [31:27 | SEP 17 2024 | RBN] https://lemmy.world/post/19893659

  • Having misspellings and typos is your concern...

    Weird, but you do you.

    FYI: You also edited your comment, but you did not mention the edit...

    Also, being exposed to only Western propaganda is not the honor you seem to believe it is.

    We can all come to certain conclusions without needing (your preferred boogeyman) making us a puppet, bot, or brainwashed.

    Just check out the Uhuru movement:

    [Legal Implications and First Amendment Rights] Uhuru Three FREED! [13:35 | DEC 18 24 | Sabby Sabs] https://lemmy.world/post/23366029

    Nick Cruse and Chairman Omali From Uhuru Speak! Free Leonard Peltier! [31:27 | SEP 17 2024 | RBN] https://lemmy.world/post/19893659

    I did edit it, but I didn't mistake Ukrainian for Uruguayan. I merely added some more content; how you can't cite a single Ukrainian or russian oligarch.

    Confusing Pakistani and Palestinians is not a typo.

    You clearly don't care about the Palestinians and are merely using them for your aesthetic purposes (extremely common among fake leftist Americans).

    I am done here.

  • You can fuck right off with your "pawn for the West", you tankie cockroach.

    I live in Ukraine (I am originally from Donbas no less). Let's hope you end up in the Izolyatsia camp in occupied Donetsk oblast. You're word salad about "Ukraine being a pawn" isn't going to help you there. They are not going to care that you helped spread russian propaganda.

    You don't speak Ukrainian, you've never lived in Ukraine and you have no clue what you are talking about.

    Nice try, but that won't work with me.

    Again with the desperate gatekeeping.

    I will state again:

    Ah, you also like to use Douglas Murray’s desperate attempts at gatekeeping what people can and can’t talk about.

    I have not been to Palestine, nor do I speak Arabic, but I fully support the Palestinian people, and I know what my country is doing is fully supporting a genocide.

    I don’t need to visit a certain country or speak any language to be able to see what is really going on.

    More forever wars where the working class is sent to die while the oligarchs sit back and take all the important resources.

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    Obviously the law must be simple enough to follow so that for Jim’s furniture shop is not a problem nor a too high cost to respect it, but it must be clear that if you break it you can cease to exist as company. I think this may be the root of our disagreement, I do not believe that there is any law making body today that is capable of an elegantly simple law. I could be too naive, but I think it is possible. We also definitely have a difference on opinion when it comes to the severity of the infraction, in my mind, while privacy is important, it should not have the same level of punishments associated with it when compared to something on the level of poisoning water ways; I think that a privacy law should hurt but be able to be learned from while in the poison case it should result in the bankruptcy of a company. The severity is directly proportional to the number of people affected. If you violate the privacy of 200 million people is the same that you poison the water of 10 people. And while with the poisoning scenario it could be better to jail the responsible people (for a very, very long time) and let the company survive to clean the water, once your privacy is violated there is no way back, a company could not fix it. The issue we find ourselves with today is that the aggregate of all privacy breaches makes it harmful to the people, but with a sizeable enough fine, I find it hard to believe that there would be major or lasting damage. So how much money your privacy it's worth ? 6 For this reason I don’t think it is wise to write laws that will bankrupt a company off of one infraction which was not directly or indirectly harmful to the physical well being of the people: and I am using indirectly a little bit more strict than I would like to since as I said before, the aggregate of all the information is harmful. The point is that the goal is not to bankrupt companies but to have them behave right. The penalty associated to every law IS the tool that make you respect the law. And it must be so high that you don't want to break the law. I would have to look into the laws in question, but on a surface level I think that any company should be subjected to the same baseline privacy laws, so if there isn’t anything screwy within the law that apple, Google, and Facebook are ignoring, I think it should apply to them. Trust me on this one, direct experience payment processors have a lot more rules to follow to be able to work. I do not want jail time for the CEO by default but he need to know that he will pay personally if the company break the law, it is the only way to make him run the company being sure that it follow the laws. For some reason I don’t have my usual cynicism when it comes to this issue. I think that the magnitude of loses that vested interests have in these companies would make it so that companies would police themselves for fear of losing profits. That being said I wouldn’t be opposed to some form of personal accountability on corporate leadership, but I fear that they will just end up finding a way to create a scapegoat everytime. It is not cynicism. I simply think that a huge fine to a single person (the CEO for example) is useless since it too easy to avoid and if it really huge realistically it would be never paid anyway so nothing usefull since the net worth of this kind of people is only on the paper. So if you slap a 100 billion file to Musk he will never pay because he has not the money to pay even if technically he is worth way more than that. Jail time instead is something that even Musk can experience. In general I like laws that are as objective as possible, I think that a privacy law should be written so that it is very objectively overbearing, but that has a smaller fine associated with it. This way the law is very clear on right and wrong, while also giving the businesses time and incentive to change their practices without having to sink large amount of expenses into lawyers to review every minute detail, which is the logical conclusion of the one infraction bankrupt system that you seem to be supporting. Then you write a law that explicitally state what you can do and what is not allowed is forbidden by default.
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    Move fast and break people
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    IMO stuff like that is why a good trainer is important. IMO it's stronger evidence that proper user-centered design should be done and a usable and intuitive UX and set of APIs developed. But because the buyer of this heap of shit is some C-level, there is no incentive to actually make it usable for the unfortunate peons who are forced to interact with it. See also SFDC and every ERP solution in existence.
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