The Browser Wasn’t Enough, Google Wants To Control All Your Software
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You can stop using all Google products.
That may be true for you, but other people face different realities. When Google implements the sideloading block it will eventually be pushed to everyone who doesn't use a custom ROM.
I wonder if it's economically plausible to make a FPGA-based all-in-one system. In a "smartphone" box, maybe far weaker than most Android phones, but far less tall in expertise needed to do anything, for a low start to be possible without humongous investment and expected minimal parties. Something graphical Lisp-based as an OS. Perhaps with an interface to use it as a tablet when attached to a bigger box, or a laptop when attached to that box.
Focusing on having the necessary modules and input-output devices, with the FPGA itself being configured with something simple-enough RISC-V based with tagged memory, for example.
Like when you need a portable computer with cell connectivity and a battery, and want to have some choice, but are not too attached to specific platforms and popular places.
It seems that for militaries using FPGA is already an established practice, turns out to be more convenient and even cheaper. And with anything trying to fight big companies, it seems using FPGA will make more sense.
I mean, Sun Tzu wrote about "when you know your enemy and know yourself", all that. Knowing myself I'm certain that trying to take on anyone bigger and smarter than me using things on their level of complexity is a failure from the start. Knowing them is beyond my ability in general, but we definitely know that those companies are led by very intelligent people who just won't make the simpler kind of mistakes. And he also wrote a bit on the "death grounds", where if you leave a path for retreat, that's not a death ground. I think paths for retreat like alternative Android versions and such are all intentionally let be, so that you'd not resist too much.
Or, this is sort of a fewer dream, or bipolar psychosis to be more specific.
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What about flip phones?
There is an interesting new breed of flip phones that can be tethered to for internet access. I could imagine a flip-phone + laptop setup being perfect for a lot of users here.
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The EU's been breathing down Apple's neck for them trying to do similar shit, so i find the timing kinda weird.
Plus they'd need to force-update their spyware first, i wonder how many versions of android they're willing to go back. -
It's very "meh..." with the added benefit of several (non-google) apps not working (/s). I choose to live with this inconvenience, but it still bothers me that my smartphone is significantly less useful in my daily life.
Having not used default Android for many years now, what makes GrapheneOS worse (aside from a few apps not working - which isn't an issue I've had, fortunately)?
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Already using GrapheneOs on my phone, so fuck Google.
Sucks that it only works on devices made by Google though..
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It's very "meh..." with the added benefit of several (non-google) apps not working (/s). I choose to live with this inconvenience, but it still bothers me that my smartphone is significantly less useful in my daily life.
You always have a choice. You can ditch your morals entirely, give up, be subservient to the capitalists and give your identity over fully to the system like the good little consumer slave you are and enjoy your normie life looking at your normie phone and toss us all out as tinfoil-hatted weirdos who almost convinced you to make your life worse for the sake of self-sufficiency, independence and privacy.
No one in the real world will ever know, care, or judge you. Only you will know that you gave up, that every location you exist in is known about by someone behind a monitor being overseen by fascists. Every day! You can live with that, right? That's a small thing to give up in the grand scheme of things, isn't it? At least Youtube loaded today, right? It's all worth it, lol.
Just remember to type "thanks" in google keyboard whenever you want them to know you appreciate them. They log it.
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Are you kidding me? How am I supposed to live in this damn Orwellian society that is coming?
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You always have a choice. You can ditch your morals entirely, give up, be subservient to the capitalists and give your identity over fully to the system like the good little consumer slave you are and enjoy your normie life looking at your normie phone and toss us all out as tinfoil-hatted weirdos who almost convinced you to make your life worse for the sake of self-sufficiency, independence and privacy.
No one in the real world will ever know, care, or judge you. Only you will know that you gave up, that every location you exist in is known about by someone behind a monitor being overseen by fascists. Every day! You can live with that, right? That's a small thing to give up in the grand scheme of things, isn't it? At least Youtube loaded today, right? It's all worth it, lol.
Just remember to type "thanks" in google keyboard whenever you want them to know you appreciate them. They log it.
Dead Kennedys were prophetic when they named one of their albums "Give me convenience or give me death".
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Already using GrapheneOs on my phone, so fuck Google.
The issue isn't that. It's that devs may juat abandon projects if they're too naughty for Google cos the custom ROM crowd is so tiny.
Right so think torrent clients, idk, Pornhub app, that sort of thing. Yeah, it doesn't affect your phone. But it absolutely will affect what software is available at all should Google clamp down on this.
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Don't use the app then? I have a key thing which works quite well. https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/get-started-with-mitid/how-to-use-mitid/mitid-code-display/
TIL this exists. Super cool.
Hvad koster det?
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Already using GrapheneOs on my phone, so fuck Google.
Wait until Google locks the bootloader.
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Is it good?
You have to pay google to use it (only works on pixel phones afaik).
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Dammit
Further reading says its most likely because European Union law 2014/53/EU which imposes new cybersecurity requirements on device manufacturers like Samsung. They must ensure that the devices they sell in Europe block the installation of unauthorized software and only run signed and approved ROMs. . Law was enforced August 01 2025.
Luckily my old phone still works (it is starting to show its age though). Gonna stretch it as long as possible. Hopefully someone will find a hack by then.
Seems like a cheap excuse, the law doesn't say specifically that.
But, of course, manufacturers like to lock down their devices as much as possible. And such laws play into their hands.
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The EU's been breathing down Apple's neck for them trying to do similar shit, so i find the timing kinda weird.
Plus they'd need to force-update their spyware first, i wonder how many versions of android they're willing to go back.I think the update is already installed, just waiting for the kill switch.
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The EU's been breathing down Apple's neck for them trying to do similar shit, so i find the timing kinda weird.
Plus they'd need to force-update their spyware first, i wonder how many versions of android they're willing to go back.Yet Apple has been able to profit from their walled garden for decades now. Doesn't that set a precedent that it's okay? I honestly don't blame Google for going this route—it's inaction from our policymakers that has created the space for abuse.
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There is an interesting new breed of flip phones that can be tethered to for internet access. I could imagine a flip-phone + laptop setup being perfect for a lot of users here.
I think my CatB40 dumb phone does tethering, a flip phone would look cooler though. What are some good ones to look for? But as I occasionally have it in a pouch for kayaking it might not be the most useful to have a flip phone as you can't really open it when its sealed. But if cheap enough I could always swap a SIM between a few.
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Already using GrapheneOs on my phone, so fuck Google.
But, what happens when Google decides to no longer the option to unlock the bootloader for future phones? It's the future that is the concern when it comes to the degoogle options available.
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not with trump around.
And he's very easily bribed which corporations have caught onto.
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I was thinking of switching to Proton. I use Gmail, Google Photos, Google Messages, Drive, Keep, Maps, Docs, Sheets. I pay $2 a month for 100gb and unlimited photos on Google. It's a good deal. The fact that I would have to find out out to make a server, buy storage, piece meal a bunch of open source software that will inevitably not work without tinkering all makes it so easy just to pay the $2 a month.
Once I moved away from Gmail cutting off Google services became easy along with finding alternatives. Even if I use Google products like YouTube I can do it without an account with stuff like freetube to have a subscription feed locally and be able to save playlists and keep track of watch history.
So yeah even if Google products are used it becomes less account dependent, so you need a Google account less and less. And changing to a non Gmail email provider was the gateway.
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Already using GrapheneOs on my phone, so fuck Google.
What kind of phone?