Do you consider any form of telemetry "spyware"?

What feature? Recall?? That's Windows 11-specific and hasn't even launched yet??

OK, you need to explain to me how tf does Linux block something that works only on Windows.

I think it's a compounding issue, primarily of Google products just kind of being the "default."

Google pays to be the primary search engine in Firefox, on iOS, and sets themselves as the default on their operating systems. They, wherever possible also set their browser as default. Yes, Chromium is open source, but they have the ultimate final say, and no one seems to have the interest in forking it. This puts Google in a similar position that Microsoft was in in the 90s and early 00s, where they can essentially hijack the web and force their ideas through whether others want to or not.

We saw this with Google forcing Manifest v3, all Chromium-based browsers essentially just had to follow suit. That was just Manifest v3 however, who's to say what else they'll do?

Then there's my tinfoil hat worry that Google essentially being the window to the web for so many people, on an OS, browser, and discoverability level is just overall a cause for worry. That's not even considering their communications and media platforms.

"Just like Mozilla".

Let's compare.

Mozilla: installed a closed-source plugin once, and then apologised for it.

Brave CEO: actively supports homophobic organisations, donates money to them, injects affiliate links to stores, whenever given a microphone will say something bigoted and homophobic.

Yeah, it's totally the same exact issue with both browsers!

So, you're saying that browsing history, in literally any browser on the market, is a bug not a feature?

surreptitiously

Oh, wait, I actually missed that! How is something that you need to purposefully turn on "surreptitious"? Like... Holy fuck, people, this is supposed to be the community of tech-literate people, so maybe stop fear-mongering in read about Recall a bit? It's opt-in, it's limited to a (as of now) extremely small number of NPU-carrying devices, it's offline.

If you don't like it, just don't fucking turn it on.

No Windows, no such Windows "features".

It doesn't tick #3, hence why I use a Firefox browser as my main. If they had their own rendering engine, I would consider it as my main. But for now, it's my backup in case I need a website that doesn't work on Firefox (i.e. they use something Chrome-specific).

It's actually super simple: even though the community is called "Technology", there's A LOT of tech-illiterate fear mongering going on here. People behave like Microsoft is trying to spy on them, seemingly oblivious to the fact that Recall is:

• only available on devices with an NPU.
• local only, nothing goes out to the Internet (hence the NPU requirement).
• opt-in - you need to turn it on yourself.

There's nothing malicious about it. Functionality is questionable, but acting like it's malware is just showing ignorance.

Well, you certainly need to be in a specific state of mind for this to make any sense...

It seems to me most people simply upvote the post to reward OP for bringing things up, exposing etc. Comments serve opinions on the topic itself, but upvote/downvote is more for if it's good according to community rules and if the topic itself is interesting.

I'm pretty sure if Firefox/Mozilla decides to change their policy on something, most forks of firefox will have no choice but follow the same path

afaik all firefox forks are really small, just like chromium forks

Mozilla might not have as much conflicting interests though, I'll admit

I care a lot about rendering engine diversity, and Firefox is the largest non-chromium browser, so I use it. It's fast enough for me, and my handful of extensions gives me what I need.

Brave: injected affiliate links once, then apologised for it too. Developped a search engine to be less dependent on big companies

Mozilla is spending money like crazy, just like Wikipedia, has little to no democratic system which makes people fork the stuff they make, and prefer to use the money from donation to buy trips all over the world to educate about privacy and shit while they proceed to keep adding more telemetry and BS in firefox

They also make it close to impossible to install plugins outside their plugins website, which I've heard has some strict rules and take a lot of time to approve stuff. Closed garden bullshit again

Honestly it largely is.

Personally I like sharing crash reports, but even then, the user should be able to turn that off if you like.

Telemetry should be 100% opt-in.

nothing is perfect, except the horseshoe crab. however both librewolf and cromite are great with ublock, and ltsc windows has no copilot since companies use that edition.

how the hell do you not?

All I have to say is I hope this catches on with other browsers.

Hyprland made me suicidal again but we are all different

Again, good for you.