Signal – an ethical replacement for WhatsApp
Technology
235
Beiträge
140
Kommentatoren
1.2k
Aufrufe
-
I use both and have been happy with both, but note that Element / Matrix have recently announced the intent to add paid service tiers.
Fair enough, servers cost, you can self host it too...
-
The irony of you posting this on lemmy, which won't allow posting from a VPN or masked email addresses is not lost on me.
The amount of hoops I had to jump through to make this comment and maintain some semblance of privacy is infuriating but at least it's not reddit I guess?
But do go on about your security standards...
Edit: BTW, you can set signal to hide your number completely. Combined with FOSS-based encryption keys on-device makes signal the only choice for trying to maintain freedom of expression globally.
Nothing will protect anyone from messaging with a snitch who knows how to screenshot though. Food for thought.. get to know your neighbors now.
Duck duck Go VPN connection here
-
How many apps did you ask them to download?
Personally, I only asked for this one, and everyone who is of importance to me chose to do it.
I went from Telegram to WhatsApp. That was enough to annoy my people.
You know and I was the biggest smack talker of apple and I got the 16 pro just to get encryption when talking to my mom and husband. I can see why people like these things.
But it does feel very basic coming from a long time Samsung user.
-
Fair enough, servers cost, you can self host it too...
Remeber, If it's "free", you are the product.
-
The problem is there's no one on signal that I want to talk to. So "just ditch the app" isn't actually helpful.
Just need to move everyone. Not that hard honestly, if you are around smart people
-
Just need to move everyone. Not that hard honestly, if you are around smart people
" It's not that hard really all you have to do is be around people who already want to move over". Yeah thanks for that advice.
I have a very similar strategy to being rich, step one is to be rich already. Simplicity itself.
-
Remeber, If it's "free", you are the product.
-
Remeber, If it's "free", you are the product.
A friend hosts my instance. I don’t expect free as in beer hosting, only free as in speech code and protocols.
-
Unfortunately the source code is not open
Wrong.
Open Source – Transparency Matters – Threema
The Threema apps are open source. Find out how to download and compile the source code, and learn more about reproducible builds.
Threema (threema.com)
That's just the client, the server architecture is what really matters.
-
That's just the client, the server architecture is what really matters.
Thanks, yeah someone else said similar here.
-
This post did not contain any content.
When they dropped sms support I was no longer able to convince people to migrate to signal.
Before I could make the argument that you need one sms app anyway so that app might just as well be Signal instead of the one that comes preloaded with your phone. That way people would gradually get more and more secure messaging as time went on. When sms support was dropped, Signal could not replace an existing app and adding another messing app is much less appealing than replacing one.
-
" It's not that hard really all you have to do is be around people who already want to move over". Yeah thanks for that advice.
I have a very similar strategy to being rich, step one is to be rich already. Simplicity itself.
Why are you friend with stupid people?
-
Why are you friend with stupid people?
Why are you being intentionally disingenuous?
I will say it again just so it's stated.
People are not going to move to another service unless they can obviously see the benefit in moving to that service. People who are not technically inclined (that doesn't mean stupid) are not going to see the benefit.Don't be rude about people you don't know anything about. Don't insult their intelligence just because they're not as interested in a very niche area of technology as you are.
::: spoiler spoiler
Why are you friend with stupid people?
Also note that if you are going to be rude about people you know nothing about, you had better check your grammar
::: -
If you're reading this comment, I posted it from proton vpn
Thanks, appreciated. I installed Nord on my linux box as well, then set that to openvpn technology and obfuscated servers which worked. I'd prefer to use their quantum-proof encryption but there's no way to bypass VPN checks if one sets that. I think it's a mistake on lemmy's part to even put that hurdle up, but it is what it is. Having one's real world identity tied to social media is a risk going forward. Data is the enemy.
-
It doesn't matter if you hide the number; at some point they deanonymized you when you signed up.
Want to be a dick about "hoops"? Get a number that isn't traceable. It can be done, but it's tough. I doubt its possible in the countries that really need anonymity of association.
Deanonymized isn't a risk with end-to-end FOSS-governed encryption (as compared to Meta's mysterious backend that manages keypairs for whatsapp and messenger). Sealed Sender can even obfuscate the metadata of the recipient for further snooping hurdles. Nothing is perfect, and any participant can silently ex-filtrate conversation data with another camera.
-
Thanks, appreciated. I installed Nord on my linux box as well, then set that to openvpn technology and obfuscated servers which worked. I'd prefer to use their quantum-proof encryption but there's no way to bypass VPN checks if one sets that. I think it's a mistake on lemmy's part to even put that hurdle up, but it is what it is. Having one's real world identity tied to social media is a risk going forward. Data is the enemy.
Data is 100% the enemy and you're right, lemmy would be moronic to put that roadblock in place
-
Data is 100% the enemy and you're right, lemmy would be moronic to put that roadblock in place
They DID put that roadblock in place. That's kinda my point. You have to loosen a VPN's security to post here (as I've had to do to reply). It says "no posting from VPN" in the lower left if one uses more advanced/secure encryption. They also don't allow account creation from masked email platforms like fastmail.
-
Why are you being intentionally disingenuous?
I will say it again just so it's stated.
People are not going to move to another service unless they can obviously see the benefit in moving to that service. People who are not technically inclined (that doesn't mean stupid) are not going to see the benefit.Don't be rude about people you don't know anything about. Don't insult their intelligence just because they're not as interested in a very niche area of technology as you are.
::: spoiler spoiler
Why are you friend with stupid people?
Also note that if you are going to be rude about people you know nothing about, you had better check your grammar
:::What I said is that smart people can be convinced to move to another platform. Most of my friends are not technically inclined, but it was easy to make them use it, at least to chat with me.
What you did is change "smart people" with "people who already want to move", which is not the same. You then said it's not something you can choose (as you cannot choose to be rich). But I answered that you can actually choose your friends.
Never did I say people who are not interested in niche technologies are not smart. My statement can be rephrased in an equivalent statement "people who cannot be convinced to change are not smart", and I stand to it.
