Anyone complaining about lane keep not letting them change lanes or make turns is telling on themselves

I was curious if anyone had actually tested it or not, and I found the video above where they get right into it, without any intros or family history or begging to like & subscribe... just a short video where they test it and find that, YES!, the brake lights do come on when you use the steering wheel paddle brake or when you're in L gear and take your foot off the accelerator.

The brakes aren’t engaged? The light turns on before there’s pressure on the brake. They probably don’t even know their lights are on since they aren’t decelerating.

Flashing blue would be neat.

Yup, this is a moronic idea.

If Japan introduced that they never caught on, unless it's specific to an area or model of car.

I strongly doubt it was genuinely linked to that. There are EU countries where having lights on all the time is mandatory.

I strongly doubt it was genuinely linked to that. There are EU countries where having lights on all the time is mandatory.

The thing is, you want the turn signal to turn on before the start of the turn, so other drivers, pedestrians, cyclists can react.

agreed, I don't think the blinker switch should be removed, but a late indicator is better than no indicator.

The EU has approved G-triggered brake lights that do just that, flash rapidly on hard braking. I’ve only seen it on higher end cars so far, but they absolutely exist. Unfortunately in the US people stick brake flashers that blink in patterns every time they touch the brake. Mostly useless as they’re installed to be “look at me, aren’t I cool with my blinky brake lights?” rather than any additional safety.

Reading through the article, it seems like one scenario is that a vehicle stopped at an intersection might be about to pull out, endangering another vehicle about to cross? It seems like the thinking is, if you notice a front/side brake light stops being lit as you approach the intersection, it might indicate they're about to accelerate - be cautious!

I'm not fully convinced either, it seems like a lot of the benefit they're projecting is based on analysis of historical collisions, rather than any kind of experimental results. It sounds like the study is to justify expanding research to that sort of simulated experimentation, though - I'm curious what that kind of testing would find.

They also indicate slow moving road hazards like a semi carrying an oversized load

Faster blink is already used to indicate that one of the lights is burned out. It's a consequence of the mechanical part that operates (used to operate) the blinking; less resistance caused by a burned out light means it blinks faster

I'm pretty sure most cars have a turn signal near the headlights, and one on the mirror or on the side for that use case, no?

Actually I think I remember watching a technology connections video about how card in the US can use the headlights as a turn signal, or something like that.
I don't think that's allowed in Europe or the EU or whatever.

Found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1lZ9n2bxWA

hybrid/electric cars already do it with regen braking.

Not all of them. It is becoming more common, but for a while Hyundai and Kia didn't do this, and I know my older Ford doesn't.

Probably just in the US, since brake lights are only required when pressing the brake pedal. Mercedes illuminates them but then turns the brake lights off once the vehicle comes to a stop using regen.

There was an EU rule about ten years ago that stipulated that rear lights are no longer mandatory in daylight. The reasoning being to save on fuel. Which is a ridiculous reason, even more so with today's LED lights.

I don't know about other EU countries but this was the reason that Sweden removed the requirement.
All cars in Sweden used to have the rear lights turned on at all time, even if the light switch was in the off position, but that changed around the same time.

Reminded me of this Technology Connections video, in which the dude explained (among other brake-light related things) how some law allows electric vehicles to get away with not using their brake lights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0YW7x9U5TQ

Yes that's all I want, to be able to see the indicator again. A lot of newer cars have moved them too far to the side of the vehicle.

I encounter this pretty often because a Boston area streets are terrible and the drivers are worse, so a visible indicator helps all drivers make traffic flow more smoothly.