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If including it with a paid product has a cost for the manufacturer, then you did pay for it as a part of the price of the product which you did pay for.
That’s a guess, not evidence of your claim.
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It's paid for as a part of the hardware and not listed separately on the receipts. All those 3rd party components in the OS are not free and has to be paid for. That comes from the hardware sale.
You agree that the terms of this License will apply to any Apple-branded application
software product that may be preinstalled on your Apple-branded hardwareyou are granted a limited, non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at any one time.
to download, install, use and run for personal, non-commercial use, one (1) copy of the Apple
Software directly on each Apple-branded computer running macOS Sonoma, macOS Ventura, macOS Monterey, macOS Big Sur, macOS Catalina, macOS Mojave, or macOS High Sierra
(“Mac Computer”) that you own or controland you agree not to, install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or to enable others to do so.
You're only allowed to use Mac OS and software for it on a Mac computer, which you have to pay for.
The license additionally calls out included 3rd party licensed fonts which which you can't use unrestricted without a specific license from the market of that font
You have to agree to that same license agreement even if you download macOS from Apple’s website without paying for it. So I still don’t see what in the world you’re talking about except for twisting yourself into pretzels to make sense of your nonsense argument.
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Exactly what nuance is there to blatant insults and ableism?
Yep. Definitely ASD. Concrete thinking. Hyperfixation. Inability to pick up on social cues, online or not.
Thanks for confirming it for me, bud.
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You're missing the core point: Compatibility directly impacts accessibility.
Just because something doesn't have a price tag doesn’t mean it's actually usable without cost.
macOS is only 'free' if you already bought into Apple’s walled garden.
That’s like saying Disneyland is free because walking around inside the park costs nothing—after you paid $150 to get in.You’re missing the point: macOS is free. Just because you have to buy hardware to run it on doesn’t make it any different than any other free operating system like Linux. There’s plenty of hardware that doesn’t support Linux , too, so your argument, especially falls apart there.
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You’re missing the point: macOS is free. Just because you have to buy hardware to run it on doesn’t make it any different than any other free operating system like Linux. There’s plenty of hardware that doesn’t support Linux , too, so your argument, especially falls apart there.
There’s a massive difference: Linux doesn’t require you to buy specific hardware from a specific vendor to legally run it. macOS does.
With Linux, if your hardware isn’t supported, it’s a technical limitation. With macOS, it’s an intentional restriction enforced by Apple through both legal terms (EULA) and hardware locks.That's the difference between open and closed systems. Linux lets you try on anything—even if it might not fit perfectly. Apple forces you to buy their clothes before you're allowed in the store.
Difference my guy.
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I cannot believe there is this long, drawn out argument over whether MacOS is free or not when my intention was MacOS + Mac = me not buying because it's too much money for a meh system that doesn't run half of the games or apps (though that's been changing).
I feel like reading between the lines is a skill, or an art form that has gone extinct with young folk.
I'm just wanting to see how far I can push his buttons
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well what has it been doing for the first 6 years
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You sent me the license of agreement for a completely different piece of software and think that’s evidence of macOS costing money?
Are you hallucinating?
The first link is evidence that video codecs cost money and, as per that source:
Most video codecs such as H.264, H265/HEVC, MPEG-2, MPEG-4… requires the manufacturer to pay a license fee. The fees are then added to the final product, but the actual codec fees are usually unknown to the end user.
This was in response to the earlier discussion about third party libraries costing money.
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The first link is evidence that video codecs cost money and, as per that source:
Most video codecs such as H.264, H265/HEVC, MPEG-2, MPEG-4… requires the manufacturer to pay a license fee. The fees are then added to the final product, but the actual codec fees are usually unknown to the end user.
This was in response to the earlier discussion about third party libraries costing money.
OK, I guess some third-party libraries do cost money, which is to be expected. That doesn’t change the fact that macOS is free.
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There’s a massive difference: Linux doesn’t require you to buy specific hardware from a specific vendor to legally run it. macOS does.
With Linux, if your hardware isn’t supported, it’s a technical limitation. With macOS, it’s an intentional restriction enforced by Apple through both legal terms (EULA) and hardware locks.That's the difference between open and closed systems. Linux lets you try on anything—even if it might not fit perfectly. Apple forces you to buy their clothes before you're allowed in the store.
Difference my guy.
Sure it does. You have to have a compatible processor, compatible, memory, etc. to run Linux. Just because one has some stricter hardware requirements than another doesn’t mean it’s not just as free as the other operating system.
Regardless, none of this has anything to do with the fact that macOS is free.
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Yep. Definitely ASD. Concrete thinking. Hyperfixation. Inability to pick up on social cues, online or not.
Thanks for confirming it for me, bud.
Right, because I’m to blame because no one can prove that macOS costs money.
Being certain of a fact is not evidence of whatever bigoted thing you’re accusing me of.
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Right, because I’m to blame because no one can prove that macOS costs money.
Being certain of a fact is not evidence of whatever bigoted thing you’re accusing me of.
Why are you even hung up on this point when it wasn't even the context of my original statement.
My god you are fitting the stereotype.
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I still use wine for most of my games on the desktop.
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I never said that. But it does show how this black-and-white all the nothing approach makes no sense.
macOS is free because it’s free.
The last version of MacOS I used was $130
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OK, I guess some third-party libraries do cost money, which is to be expected. That doesn’t change the fact that macOS is free.
It's clear you're acting in bad faith at this point - you've completely skipped over anything else I said in my original comment.
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The last version of MacOS I used was $130
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_TigerAnd in my original comment, I said they hadn’t charged for it in about 15 years. And it’s been almost exactly 15 years.
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Why are you even hung up on this point when it wasn't even the context of my original statement.
My god you are fitting the stereotype.
Right, I’m the one “fixated” on this, but all of the people like you dog pile on me, and trying to insist a fact isn’t true aren’t “fixated”.
Seems like projection to me. And deflection from the fact that you can’t prove your point.
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It's clear you're acting in bad faith at this point - you've completely skipped over anything else I said in my original comment.
Me: points out of fact
You: you’re acting in bad faith!
It still doesn’t make any sense to me. Do you think I’m acting in bad faith because I acknowledge a fact, and you won’t? Or is it because I keep poking holes in your logic?
Sounds like hurt feelings to me
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And in my original comment, I said they hadn’t charged for it in about 15 years. And it’s been almost exactly 15 years.
Just because they stopped selling it doesn't mean it's free. The only legal way to aquire MacOS is to buy an Apple product, or somehow get an upgrade from one of those old paid versions (which since this happens through the App Store now, you still need an Apple product).
Windows is also not free even though you can download the iso. There's license terms
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well what has it been doing for the first 6 years
Building momentum for the year of the Linux.
You know, the one we've been reading about for 20 years.
