“Q.R., using his mother’s old laptop, had unfettered access to the internet and began searching for hardcore pornography,” says the court. His mom claims this led to “pain, suffering, disability, disfigurement, and mental anguish; psychological injury; past and future love of enjoyment and pleasure of living.”

It's not the internet making your son feel those things, it's you.

Why is the mom not responsible for giving her kid internet access.

“Mom” isn’t doing this unless she’s uber rich. Someone is bankrolling her to try to set precedent.

Ding Ding Ding! You Win!

Mom is joined in her lawsuit by the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE).

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The National Center on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE), previously known as Morality in Media and Operation Yorkville, is an American conservative anti-pornography organization.[2][3] The group has also campaigned against sex trafficking, same-sex marriage, sex shops and sex toys, decriminalization of sex work, comprehensive sex education, and various works of literature or visual arts the organization has deemed obscene, profane or indecent. Its current president is Marcel Van der Watt. The organization describes its goal as "exposing the links between all forms of sexual exploitation".[4]

Pretty sure those NCOSE assholes are the ones who said school shootings and other mass murders are because of moral decline due to gay people.

Am I the only one that thinks there’s something positive to stricter control of pornography?

Even if you love porn and grew up exposed to it as a kid, you gotta admit that there are psychological effects on avid adult viewers and more on minors.

Think about what was available as a kid, too. Wait 10 min for a 3 minute to load or just search pics. Now it’s a completely different overstimulating world that transforming how people relate to sex and themselves.

Call them the Christian Taliban, and nothing else. They not worthy of any acronym or marketing they choose to hide behind. They're fascist scum.

There's absolutely something to be said for trying to ensure that people don't have access to porn as kids, but that doesn't come from what these legal battles inevitably want to impose, which is ID check requirements that create a massive treasure trove of data for attackers to target to steal IDs, blackmail individuals, and violate people's privacy, while adding additional costs for porn sites that will inevitably lead to predatory monetization, such as more predatory ads.

The problem is that parents are offloading their own responsibility and education off themselves and schools, and instead placing an unworkable burden onto the sites that host and distribute pornographic content.

We know that when you provide proper sex education, talk to kids about how to safely consume adult content without risking their health, safety, and while setting realistic expectations, you tend to get much better outcomes.

If there's one thing I think most people are very aware of, it's that the more you try and hide something from kids, the more they tend to try and resist that, and find it anyways, except without any proper education or safeguards.

It's why abstinence only education tends to lead to worse outcomes than sex education, even though on the surface, you're "exposing" kids to sexually related materials.

This doesn't mean we should deliberately expose kids to porn out of nowhere, remove all restrictions or age checks, etc, but it does mean that we can, for example:

• Implement reasonable sex education in schools. Kids who have sex ed generally engage in healthier masturbation and sex than kids who don't.
• Have parents talk with their kids about safe and healthy sex & relationships. It's an awkward conversation, but we know it keeps kids healthier and safer in the long run.
• Implement a captcha-like system to make it a little more difficult (and primarily, slower and less stimulating) for kids to quickly access porn sites. Requiring certain somewhat higher level math problems to be solved, for example. This doesn't rely on giving up sensitive personal info.

Kids won't simply stop viewing porn if you implement age gates. Kids are smart, they find their way around restrictions all the time. If we can't reasonably stop them without producing a whole host of other extremely negative consequences, then the best thing we can do is educate them on how to not severely risk their own health.

It's not perfect, but it's better than creating massive pools of private data, perverse financial incentives, and pushing people to more fringe sites that do even less to comply with the law.

I understand and agree with what you’re saying. I think people should need licenses to have kids, but that’s a different story.

The conflict that this often boils down to is that the digital world does not emulate the real world. If you want to buy porn in the real world, you need ID, but online anything goes. I love my online anonymity just as much as everybody else, but we’ll eventually need to find some hybrid approach.

We already scan our faces on our phones all the time, or scan our finger on our computer. How about when you want to access a porn site you have to type in a password or do some biometric credential?

I think 50% or more of the resistance of restricting porn is really just that people really love porn and are ashamed of what they view. There’s a whole other social psychology that needs to change in regards to how we view sex and I agree with more education.

The conflict that this often boils down to is that the digital world does not emulate the real world. If you want to buy porn in the real world, you need ID, but online anything goes. I love my online anonymity just as much as everybody else, but we’ll eventually need to find some hybrid approach.

The problem is that because the internet is fundamentally different from the real world, it has its own challenges that make some of the things we do in the real world unfeasible in the digital world. showing an ID to a clerk at a store doesn't transmit your sensitive information over the internet to/through an unknown list of companies, who may or may not store it for an undetermined amount of time, but doing so on the internet essentially has to do so.

While I do think we should try and prevent kids from viewing porn at young ages, a lot of the mechanisms proposed to do so are either not possible, cause many other harms by their existence that could outweigh their benefits, or are trivially bypassed.

We already scan our faces on our phones all the time, or scan our finger on our computer. How about when you want to access a porn site you have to type in a password or do some biometric credential?

Those systems are fundamentally different, even though the interaction is the same, so implementing them in places like porn sites carries entirely different implications.

For example, (and I'm oversimplifying a bit here for time's sake) a biometric scan on your phone is just comparing the scan it takes each time with the hash (a processed version) of your original biometric scan during setup. If they match, the phone unlocks.

This verification process does nothing to verify if you're a given age, just that your face/fingerprint is the same as during setup. It also never has to transmit or store your biometrics to another company. It's always on-device.

Age verification online for something like porn is much more complex. When you're verifying a user, you have to verify:

• The general location the user lives in (to determine which laws you must comply with, if not for the type of verification, then for the data retention and security, and access)
• The age of the user
• The reality of the user (e.g. a camera held up to a YouTube video shouldn't verify as if the person is the one in the video)
• The uniqueness of the user (e.g. that this isn't someone re-licensing the same clip of their face to be replayed directly into the camera feed, allowing any number of people to verify using the same face)
• And depending on the local regulations, the identity of the user (e.g. name, and sometimes other identifiers like address, email, phone number, SSN, etc)

This all carries immense challenges. It's fundamentally incompatible with user privacy. Any step in this process could involve processing data about someone that could allow for:

• Blackmail/extortion
• Data breaches that allow access to other services the person has an account on
• Being added to spam marketing lists
• Heavily targeted advertising based on sexual preference
• Government registries that could be used to target opponents

This also doesn't include the fact that most of these can simply be bypassed by anyone willing to put in even a little effort. If you can buy an ID or SSN online for less than a dollar, you'll definitely be able to buy an age verification scan video, or a photo of an ID.

Plus, for those unwilling to directly bypass measures on the major sites, then if only the sites that actually fear government enforcement implement these measures, then people will simply go to the less regulated sites.

In fact, this is a well documented trend, that whenever censorship of any media happens, porn or otherwise, viewership simply moves to noncompliant services. And of course, these services can be hosting much worse content than the larger, relatively regulatory-compliant businesses, such as CSAM, gore, nonconsensual recordings, etc.

Can you imagine the roasting this poor kid gets at school because of his insane mom?

My thoughts as well.

Just let your kid masturbate in peace. WTF.

And/or you know, put a web filter / monitoring software for free on your devices that the kids have access to.

Android: Google Family Link, and many others if they aren't trying to use Google products.

Apple has products as well. People just need to pay attention to their kids

The products suck. Google and apple don't really have a monetary motivation to make them good. My kid easily gets around everything. And he is only 11. The best so far was a bark phone. They had to customize the operating system because google didn't provide ways to lock things down. He still found a work around to play music on the talk and text only phone. Only had it a week.
There just isn't profit in it.
So teach your kids about the realities of the web or they will find out themselves.

Do it like this: you have to go to a notary and show your ID and they don’t scan it or anything, but they then authorize you to create an account with biometric credentials. Now only you can use that account to watch porn online. Hybrid approach.

I highly recommend Qustudio. It works on phone and PC, and allows you to customise exactly what is monitored or blocked so you can keep an eye on things in an age appropriate way.

We started monitoring after we found out our 12 year old daughter was catfishing a 19 year old boy. He had no idea and after we explained that she could literally ruin his life, and made her tell him her age he noped out of there. (Wisely.)

At first we had it set to monitor everything, report all searches, all app downloads, block porn, etc.

Yes she was able to get around certain features, like when she was young we had the phone locked past midnight... But it logs when it's in use, so we then had a talk the next day and took away the phone or PC if needed.

As she got older we removed the block on all websites, and stopped monitoring any messages. We kept the software on to let us know when she was using her devices because she would often be up until 3am on her phone on a school night and we would then have a conversation about it.

We removed it when she was 17 or 18.

they then authorize you to create an account

Authorize you how?

That would involve someone having the ability to see which accounts where made, when, and how they were authorized, not to mention likely being able to track when they're used in the future.

with biometric credentials

What does this mean? Do you mean you verify your biometric data with the notary to prove it's you? Your ID should be enough. Do you mean where your biometric data is your password? This doesn't prove it's you. If processing is on-device like how phone lock screens work, then a simple piece of software could just extract the raw credentials and allow people to use/sell/transfer those, bypassing the biometrics. If it requires sending your biometric data to the company to log in like a traditional password flow, then all my previous issues with biometric verification online become present.

There's still a key difference between this hybrid approach and, like I mentioned previously, buying alcohol by showing your ID to a clerk at a counter, and it's that the interaction ends there. If you show ID, buy alcohol, then leave, the store doesn't do anything after that. There's no system monitoring when or how much you're drinking, or if you've offered some of that drink to someone underage, for example.

But with something like what you're proposing, the unfortunate reality is that it has to have some kind of monitoring for it to functionally work, otherwise it becomes trivially bypassed, and thus the interaction can't end when the person leaves.

Not to mention the fact that not all platforms people find porn on are actually dedicated porn sites. Many people are first exposed via social media, just like how they're exposed to much of their other information and general knowledge nowadays. If we want to age gate social media porn consumption as well, we then need to age verify everyone regardless of if they intend to view porn or not, because we can't ensure it won't end up on their feed.

There's a reason why I'm so strongly against these verification methods, and it's because they always cause a whole host of privacy and security issues, and don't even create a strong enough system to prevent unauthorized porn viewing by minors in the first place.

Can he no longer enjoy life cause he logged into chaturbate.

Or did he never enjoy life, because his moms a miserable kind of cunt that announces to the world her sweet baby boy looked at THE PORNOGRAPHY and is stirring up a massive, baseless lawsuit over it, thus traumatizing the fuck out of him.. which I imagine isnt the first time shes done so.

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Whats the running bet on if the kids even allowed to have a bedroom door?

Well the kid definitely can't enjoy life now that his mom caught him and put him on blast in front of the entire nation.