That's not how capitalism works my friend

Cute, but we all know the only way these writers are going to get what they want is if they part ways from their current publishers and start a coöperative.

It’s actually wild how with the just-in-time economy, it has never required less capital investment to start a business like a book publisher. And yet it seems like the only people that take advantage of it are average schmo “grindset grifters” selling junk while all of the people with the real economic power literally beg the institutions that have abused them since the very beginning of their industry to please do the right thing.

That’s Game Theory right there.

And I don’t care if something is written by AI. As people we care about the quality of the output.

We know AI by default just creates slop but with a human in the loop, it’s possible to get inspiration for scenes, brainstorming, discuss ideas etc.

I think a good writer would use it this way.

Unless readers want street cred reading only books from publishers who observe the request. There will be a market for "authentic" publishers along with the more liberal slop-friendly ones.

I tried to read about "just-in-time economy" but I really don't see how it would apply to book market?

It means that today pretty much anybody can start a book publishing company, because just-in-time print shops will handle literally all of the expensive overhead that is associated with running a publishing company and just print whatever you hire them to print on demand for you once customers actually place orders, sometimes even on a commission basis so you don’t even have to pay them money unless people are actually buying the books you are publishing.

And demand an additional disclaimer that "use of the contents of this book for AI training purposes is explicitely forbidden".

That will 100% stop Meta from using it for training their AI for sure.

/s

How does it exactly relate here?

It will at least stop AI training from claiming fair use.

Everyone wants to protect their money under a capitalistic system. Where were you when all of the typewriter repairmen lost their jobs? Society and technology change and evolve over time.

I think the thing about fair use is that you don't need permission

Is that like a cooperative but in germany?

That's not an equivalency. From written paper to typewriters and then to computers, writing has remained a product of the author. A typewriter repair shop would transition from mechanical to electronic typewriters and potentially then to computer repair. This is because it supports an evolving technology.

An author cannot transition to becoming a machine, because they cannot author what they don't write, but a publisher can continue to publish anything that would make them money. So when human experience is boiled down to nothing more than the probabalistic order of the words written by authors who gave no consent to have their work absorbed and mutilated by an LLM, the only winner is a publishing house seeking cheaper labour than the human.

I'd take it part of the problem is that publisher is quite a "unglorious" job to say somehow. Like, it's difficult to make it look fancy or interesting enough that you'd take effort, time and resources from other things you could be doing - such as, ya know, writing the story you want to write - to have to do that.

Oh it's for the correct sound distinction. Compare naïve vs naive (eg.: glaive).

AI is much like smoking (hey, it is killing the atmosphere! ). Even if a good writer uses it, the usage itseld can still cause harm for others.

I guess, but print on demand is also more expensive than printing in bulk, when looking per unit, and of lower quality (paper and binding). I'm not too familiar with the details of book publishing but I wouldn't expect that people are not using this route simply because they failed to notice its benefits.