The US does not have socialized healthcare. It uses a welfare state. What about Canada?

Does Canada have socialized healthcare?

Does anywhere?

Yeah you're right, I was using AI in the colloquial modern sense. My mistake. It actually drives me nuts when people do that. I should have said "without compute-heavy AI".

Yeah they do! A few places do. I’m just enjoying seeing you prove your own sarcasm as actual truth because these things formed in spite of capitalism

Is Canada not capitalist?

Are you willingly ignoring my point or just not getting it? Oh well

Sounds like you just realized you proved mine.

The Wikimedia Foundation does just that, and still, their infrastructure is under stress because of AI scrapers.

Dumps or no dumps, these AI companies don't care. They feel like they're entitled to taking or stealing what they want.

If you’re simping for capitalism then I guess I’m not surprised you’ll take whatever narrative and run with it.

The complaint that got blamed on capitalism was:

The information age gave way for the misinformation age, where everything is fake.

and if there's one entity/person most responsible for that, it's Putin or the GOP. Most of it is political, and very little to do with capitalism itself. Except that capitalism surrounds and is intertwined with everything.

Still, if you get rid of capitalism, it doesn't get rid of politics. I'd argue that the root of the issue is the GOP trying to hoard power (money and otherwise), and power is going to exist with or without capitalism. Is North Korea capitalist? Do they have issues with disinfo?

This Christian Sharia Law movement doesn't exist for money.

Lol can't engage with someone's point? Just call them a simp.

Why did you even engage if you can't walk the walk, lil bro?

You were there too?

You: “capitalism is the reason we have everything! And when people get sick of capitalism’s greed and form social policies to help the labor class because they continually get exploited in spite of capitalism, somehow that’s capitalism’s fault!”

But then the irony is lost on you

Also consider that Socialism is totally legal under Capitalism. Want to start a co-op? Go for it. Want to legislate and implement socialized healthcare? Many Capitalist countries have.

Under Communism, Capitalism must be illegal and stamped out by force. Want to start a business making shoes and hire someone to work for an agreed upon wage? Illegal.

When the goal involves guaranteeing positive rights, I'm not sure how it can be achieved without coercion. Which is how any socialist policies get implemented under capitalism anyways.

Whoever you're shadowboxing there is taking a hell of a beating!

Mkay, Lucille

Thanks for exemplifying the "CaPiTaLiSm BaD" person from my original comment so well! The total inability to engage with my comment to the point of inventing a whole new one to argue with was a really nice touch!

I think the issue is that the scrapers are fully automatically collecting text, jumping from link to link like a search engine indexer.

That's crazy, it makes no sense, it takes as much bandwidth and processing power on the scraper side to process and use the data as it takes to serve it.

They also have an open API that makes scraper entirely unnecessary too.

Here are the relevant quotes from the article you posted

"Scraping has become so prominent that our outgoing bandwidth has increased by 50% in 2024."

"At least 65% of our most expensive requests (the ones that we can’t serve from our caching servers and which are served from the main databases instead) are performed by bots."

"Over the past year, we saw a significant increase in the amount of scraper traffic, and also of related site-stability incidents: Site Reliability Engineers have had to enforce on a case-by-case basis rate limiting or banning of crawlers repeatedly to protect our infrastructure."

And it's wikipedia ! The entire data set is trained INTO the models already, it's not like encyclopedic facts change that often to begin with !

The only thing I imagine is that it is part of a larger ecosystem issue, there the rare case where a dump and API access is so rare, and so untrust worthy that the scrapers are just using scrape for everything, rather than taking the time to save bandwidth by relying on dumps.

Maybe it's consequences from the 2023 API wars, where it was made clear that data repositories would be leveraging their place as pool of knowledge to extract rent from search and AI and places like wikipedia and other wikis and forums are getting hammered as a result of this war.

If the internet wasn't becoming a warzone, there really wouldn't be a need for more than one scraper to scrape a site, even if the site was hostile, like facebook, it only need to be scraped once and then the data could be shared over a torrent swarm efficiently.

There are glitch tokens but I think those only effect it when using it.