Tucson City Council votes 7-0, unanimously to kill controversial Data Center
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Why the hell are they trying to build data centers in the fucking Sonoran Desert anyway.
its also colder at night, because the desert doesnt retain heat much? in places like vegas its hot, because the asphalt and concrete absorbs heat.
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I wonder if they could use sea water for that. I know salt is corrosive, but surely there's a reasonable solution there.
seawater would probably corrode whatever storage system they have in there overtime, all that biological material, chemicals and gunk.
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Good. This whole thing was stupid when the local government and utilities keep telling us little people to conserve water because, well we're in a 113 degree desert with a complete lack of water due to climate change and they wanted to do this bullshit.
Bezos has tens of billions, if not hundreds. He could support development of heat-resistant microchips, which would have countless applications.
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Bezos has tens of billions, if not hundreds. He could support development of heat-resistant microchips, which would have countless applications.
I doubt a microchip that doesn't need cooling, while still calculating reasonably fast, is possible.
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Bezos has tens of billions, if not hundreds. He could support development of heat-resistant microchips, which would have countless applications.
heat-resistant microchips
Wat
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heat-resistant microchips
Wat
Yeah, man, Bezos has tens of billions, if not hundreds! He could support the development of something that breaks the fundamental rules of physics EASILY!
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Bezos has tens of billions, if not hundreds. He could support development of heat-resistant microchips, which would have countless applications.
Computers use electricity to do math. The more electricity you have, the more math you can do. In order to do the math, the electricity is handled in a way that outputs heat. Unfortunately, the most reliable, cost effective and plentiful materials that allow electricity to do a lot of math also get heavily impacted by heat.
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Remember that time that Microsoft sunk a data center in the ocean, proved this was cost effective, was reliable and could scale? And now it's been five years and nothing happened? Yeah that was annoying.
Anyway their site of glowing press releases is still up for some reason
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Remember that time that Microsoft sunk a data center in the ocean, proved this was cost effective, was reliable and could scale? And now it's been five years and nothing happened? Yeah that was annoying.
Anyway their site of glowing press releases is still up for some reason
It worked well until there was a component failure, requiring a whole farm to be taken down to replace said failed components. This is why they dropped the project.
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I guess that , unlike some famous people in "Phoenix Valley", the people in Tucson did not forget "the white man's greed".
Kudos to them!
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Yeah, man, Bezos has tens of billions, if not hundreds! He could support the development of something that breaks the fundamental rules of physics EASILY!
He can go develop me a liquid nitro cooling setup.
Use so many fans he can power a wind farm
Shove his servers up his bum
Honestly i'm fine with any of the above
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Computers use electricity to do math. The more electricity you have, the more math you can do. In order to do the math, the electricity is handled in a way that outputs heat. Unfortunately, the most reliable, cost effective and plentiful materials that allow electricity to do a lot of math also get heavily impacted by heat.
modern cpus has an energy density on par with nuclear power plant cores.
they need cooling, money cant break physics.
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Well fine, guess I'll have to make my obese fart videos the old fashioned way. Anyone seen my kimchi?
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seawater would probably corrode whatever storage system they have in there overtime, all that biological material, chemicals and gunk.
Sure. A lot of that can be filtered out, but there will be corrosion with whatever heat transfer system they use. However, seawater is free, pretty consistently cool temperature (esp. in the Pacific), and is plentiful, so replacing some heat exchange components shouldn't be overly burdensome.
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It worked well until there was a component failure, requiring a whole farm to be taken down to replace said failed components. This is why they dropped the project.
They didn't think of that when designing this?
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I doubt a microchip that doesn't need cooling, while still calculating reasonably fast, is possible.
It's possible if you make it a macrochip instead of a microchip.
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True but this isn't specific to the tech bubble. It's a feature of capitalism. Competition forces firms to adopt shorter term horizons. If a firm has significant profit to make by focusing on the short term and it does not, its competitor would. If the profit possoble within this period is significant, having the competitor collect it runs the risk of the current firm failing, or the competitor accumulating enough for hostile takeover, among other failures. That would stop the current firm onwer from collecting profits in the future. Even if focusing on the long term is more profitable over time, firms may not survive in a competitive environment to realize long term profits. These are some of the fundamental processes that drive firms into short term horizons. With liquid asset markets there are even more immediate processes driving firms into short term planning.
Add to that planning based mainly on prices, which don't capture a ton of reality and you get situations like a water hungry datacenter in the desert, cause the price of water does not capture its long term availability for example.
All of this has happened in the past, even a century ago. It's happened and keeps happening in other industries too. For example the fossil fuel industry.
That's more an artifact of modern corporate structure where a publicity traded entity must always be growing or it will be considered a failure.
