Age Verification Is Coming for the Whole Internet
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Lemmy will be pressured into age verification also and most hosts will crumble. $50M per caught infraction is wild.
We gonna end up going back to libraries. Which actually would be cool as fuck. Like Yentl when all those dudes are hanging out in a big ass room talking philosophy. It'll re-spark the postal service. Live music will thrive. Coz everyone will be like fuck the internet, we'll do it live.
Many fediverse hosts will make an effort to stay open by shifting their servers to countries that are out of reach of verification and law enforcement but that will only last so long.
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You made me do this, capitalism.
This is a problem with Government not an economic system. It's about control, not dollars, pounds, or yuan.
But this scene was set by capitalism. The family friendly, market friendly internet is the basis for this entire issue. Yeah, government is the one finally pulling the trigger on sanctioned, total control, but we’ve been surveilled and profiled and censored for decades at this point by countless corporations for ad dollars. We’ve gone through the cycles of outrage and acquiescence and outrage and acquiescence as things have gotten worse and worse—same goes for the quality of politician, all bought and paid for by telecom companies neutering everything we can do to make the market and internet more favorable while the politicians got worse and worse and we began accepting it and just laughing it off.
And here we are. Don’t be fooled, this is 100% at the feet of capitalism.
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Car forums are still alive and well because they're a great repository of knowledge. There
are plenty of computing forums too still.Yep, and every one of them already complies with age verification laws so as new laws are added they're going to comply with those as well. There are very few web admins / sysops / site operators out there who are willing, or even able, to buck these kinds of national laws.
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decentralized apps, fediverse
Those apps and / or the fediverse itself would get sued into the ground and shut down one app or server at a time. There's nothing stopping any Governments authorities from going after servers inside their borders and there's nothing stopping them from "harmonizing" identity verification restrictions among other countries. They've already done it once with Intellectual Property law.
This push to de-anonymize the Internet isn't new either. Microsoft started this back in the oughts with their Passport / Digital-ID program. Google and Meta, along with others, long ago launched their own versions and it's why you can sign into so many websites with a Google or Facebook account.
It's generally referred to as IdP and now that the Internet has been fully corporatized, with minor holdouts, you can bet your bippy that the days of anonymous access are ending.
If only there was a non-commercial, decentralized way of doing the same thing we are already doing. Perhaps make it free too. Hmmm
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What do you mean by that? Most of the infrastructure that makes up the internet is owned by like 6 companies.
I2p exists
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You made me do this, capitalism.
This is a problem with Government not an economic system. It's about control, not dollars, pounds, or yuan.
Capitalism runs on top of government. Governments create and enforce the notion that a human, or a fictional human with fractional ownership (corporation), can in turn own arbitrarily large and important objects.
This is often done at the behest of said arbitrarily-large-and-important-thing-owners, who also come up with other similarly terrible ideas to have the government do.
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Or ZeroNet
ZeroNet
What's up on ZeroNet these days?
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Article is paywalled.
95% of the time reader mode bypasses the paywall and this is one of those times
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We have already done that. It's called Dreddit and not even major governments can stop it.
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Is it filled with the type of people that one might wish major governments could stop, though?
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Age Verification Is Coming for the Whole Internet
Around the world, more users are being asked the same question: Can we see some ID? That has been a bit of a disaster so far in the U.K., writes John Herrman.
Intelligencer (nymag.com)
Can you have age verification and still be anonymous on the Internet? (Fixed fukted typo)
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They intend to tie a name to every keystroke
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I2p exists
So do a million different forms of encryption. That doesn't make the infrastructure any less centralized. If the people who own the fiber decide to only allow pre-approved types of traffic to cross their networks then it doesn't make any difference what sort of protocols exist. Building free cross-country or subsea fiber routes is not economically viable and the internet doesn't exist without them.
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Can you have age verification and still be anonymous on the Internet? (Fixed fukted typo)
the fuck happened to you at the end there
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oh no, the world will find out I'm 50. oh the shame, oh the horror.
And they know your medical conditions, your income, your likes and dislikes, your hobbies, your vices, your insecurities, your deepest desires. Fast forward 10 years and every page and site you visit will be AI generated on the spot to lead you around by the nose and which way they feel like.
"Your local team just won the championship! Buy one of their limited edition jerseys now for only one hour of your income! Act now and we won't send videos of you jerking it to your coworker your wife is super jealous of. If you pay for express shipping we'll disable your home security and quietly sneak in and hang it in your closet, even while you sleep! Just kidding! We bought all of this for you anyway, because we own your drug store and we would've just withheld your insulin until you bought a jersey... I mean TWO jerseys."
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So do a million different forms of encryption. That doesn't make the infrastructure any less centralized. If the people who own the fiber decide to only allow pre-approved types of traffic to cross their networks then it doesn't make any difference what sort of protocols exist. Building free cross-country or subsea fiber routes is not economically viable and the internet doesn't exist without them.
Please look into how i2p works. It’s not just some form of encryption.
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Unless you are one of the extreme privacy people, like deep into freakaziod territory, the folks who build tracking / id systems would maybe need an afternoon to go from your Lemmy username to your home address and underwear size.
For my account sure. I use the same username most places. But it’s also reasonable to have a fairly decent Lemmy account that’s decoupled from all your other online accounts. Use a temp email provider, VPN, and proper browser and you’re most of the way there.
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the fuck happened to you at the end there
Sounds like they're asking about anonymous amicable anuities, and the answer is no, those are regulated by the SEC (or whatever investment governing body in your area), so you can't legally buy an anuity anonymously, even if it's amicable.
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95% of the time reader mode bypasses the paywall and this is one of those times
Thanks babe
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decentralized apps, fediverse
Those apps and / or the fediverse itself would get sued into the ground and shut down one app or server at a time. There's nothing stopping any Governments authorities from going after servers inside their borders and there's nothing stopping them from "harmonizing" identity verification restrictions among other countries. They've already done it once with Intellectual Property law.
This push to de-anonymize the Internet isn't new either. Microsoft started this back in the oughts with their Passport / Digital-ID program. Google and Meta, along with others, long ago launched their own versions and it's why you can sign into so many websites with a Google or Facebook account.
It's generally referred to as IdP and now that the Internet has been fully corporatized, with minor holdouts, you can bet your bippy that the days of anonymous access are ending.
Last time I checked, the p!rate bay still exists. In fact there are many of them. Because the website itself is open source. The same could be done with any other site. If one gets taken down, two more pop up in it's place.
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Please look into how i2p works. It’s not just some form of encryption.
Please explain how you can bypass carrier enforced traffic shaping policy.
From geti2p.net:
I2P's protocols are efficient on most platforms, including cell phones, and secure for most threat models. However, there are several areas which require further improvement to meet the needs of those facing powerful state-sponsored adversaries, and to meet the threats of continued cryptographic advances and ever-increasing computing power.
The people involved in the project you're referring to acknowledge that governments can, by influencing carrier policy, disrupt and subvert the project's intended function. Why then are you implying they are incorrect?