UK wants to weasel out of demand for Apple encryption back door
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iMessage is far more common in the US afaik. Whereas most people elsewhere will use WhatsApp or whatever, nobody in my extended family uses anything but iMessage to communicate
Ah, yeah right, the US is still stuck in the 00s with that (and payment methods).
But iMessage doesn't work on Android and by default the message will just fail if they have an Android phone and you use iMessage.
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Ah, yeah right, the US is still stuck in the 00s with that (and payment methods).
But iMessage doesn't work on Android and by default the message will just fail if they have an Android phone and you use iMessage.
That is interesting. In Europe it just switches to text message automatically when sending to people with android.
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That is interesting. In Europe it just switches to text message automatically when sending to people with android.
In The Netherlands it doesn't and last time I checked we are still part of Europe lol
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Could add cameras in their homes and work, so we can monitor them 24/7 with AI.
I've got a mate who's a delivery driver, his employer has a cab cam watching him all the time. We are employing these MPs, same principle.
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Ask them for a backdoor to their wives for "national security"
They might agree.
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They should allow a backdoor, but only on UK Parliament members' phones.
By the way, nobody is forced to become a politician, so yes.
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Let’s not even get into the legitimacy of a state calling itself “The UK of GB and NI” when they’d have a tough time proving NI is entirely onboard
That’s just every country, isn’t it? Seems like most of Spain has separatist movements; Provence and Brittany and Burgundy retain their sub-national identities; probably some in Tobago want to split from Trinidad. If Northern Ireland joined Eire no doubt the Loyalists would start clamouring to reverse that.
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UK keeps forgetting that it's just a little country now. It can't play the big boy games like the EU and US any more.
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UK keeps forgetting that it's just a little country now. It can't play the big boy games like the EU and US any more.
You basically summed up the UK in a sentence. People here genuinely think we either are, or should be a world power like America.
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UK is becoming a shit show very fast, this right after OSA.
It's maybe the time to block the UK from the internet and leave them "be safe" alone.
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Correct, standard iCloud data is accessible with a warrant. But the UK wanted their own backdoor so they have constant access without a warrant.
But with advanced data protection, Apple can’t provide the data because they don’t have the encryption keys, regardless of a warrant.
Important to note iMessage is always E2E encrypted though, so iMessages cannot be accessed even with a warrant. Advanced data protection just expands that to all iCloud data
Using iMessage with backups does mean the backups are unencrypted and accessible by warrant (unless you use advanced data protection)
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Using iMessage with backups does mean the backups are unencrypted and accessible by warrant (unless you use advanced data protection)
Ah yes, that's true as well
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In The Netherlands it doesn't and last time I checked we are still part of Europe lol
iMessage will use SMS for 2 person conversations with Android, MMS for groups (and if your carrier disabled MMS it doesn't work IIRC)
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iMessage will use SMS for 2 person conversations with Android, MMS for groups (and if your carrier disabled MMS it doesn't work IIRC)
Yes it should, but by default it doesn't, at least not in NL
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The whole having a backdoor to encryption is bullshit, that defeats the entire point.
I do understand that they want some kind of control on things like encryption, since criminals/terrorist/etc can abuse it as well. Keeping society safe is kinda important, and some level of transparency is used for that. This like deposited annual reports for example will help find companies/people funding terrorism.
But we should never completely compromise the privacy of individuals
They want a backdoor to your emails while terrorism has been clear as day and they still haven't done anything about it in Gaza.
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You basically summed up the UK in a sentence. People here genuinely think we either are, or should be a world power like America.
The "big boys" were all pussies over sending western tanks and long range missiles to Ukraine, the UK was the first. There are very few things we can be proud of these days. But that is one of them.
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Feck you too, I guess. If that's how you want to behave.
I could understand you being unhappy with our government, but just blanket swearing at all 68 million of us is a dick move.
I could be wrong but I don't think s/he was being serious
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Okay interesting, thank you for the info.
Who even uses iMessage these days? Pretty sure I turned it off completely because it was messing with the 5 SMS I send in a year ...
Out of my 10 most recent client contacts, only one has used SMS. The rest are all iMessage.
Sure, that’s anecdotal. But I’m in the UK and this is my experience.
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Ah, yeah right, the US is still stuck in the 00s with that (and payment methods).
But iMessage doesn't work on Android and by default the message will just fail if they have an Android phone and you use iMessage.
Really? Mine defaults to SMS if they don’t receive it as an iMessage message. I can’t recall it ever failing, only a long while back I would get a failure that prompts me to send as SMS - and I’d do it. It’s automatic now.
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Really? Mine defaults to SMS if they don’t receive it as an iMessage message. I can’t recall it ever failing, only a long while back I would get a failure that prompts me to send as SMS - and I’d do it. It’s automatic now.
Not sure how long iMessage has existed, but it never properly worked for me on any iPhone, and neither for my partner. I also helped others change the settings to just default to SMS.
By default it doesn't show that you need to send a SMS, and it definitely doesn't retry it, at least not in NL.
