Got my 9070XT at retail (well retail + VAT but thats retail for my country) and my entire PC costs less than a 5090.

What do you even need those graphics cards for?

Even the best games don't require those and if they did, I wouldn't be interested in them, especially if it's an online game.

Probably only a couple people would be playing said game with me.

AMD only releases high end for servers and high end workstations

I don’t really care how a frame is generated if it looks good enough (and doesn’t come with other notable downsides like latency). This almost feels like complaining about screen space reflections being “fake” reflections. Like yeah, it’s fake, but if the average player experience is consistently better with it than without it then what does it matter?

But it does come with increased latency. It also disrupts the artistic vision of games. With MFG you're seeing more fake frames than real frames. It's deceptive and like snake oil in that Nvidia isn't distinguishing between fake frames and real frames. I forget what the exact comparison is, but when they say "The RTX 5040 has the same performance as the RTX 4090" but that's with 3 fake frames for every real frame, that's incredibly deceptive.

Yeah I got a 9070 + 9800x3d for around $1100 all-in. Couldn’t be happier with the performance. Expedition 33 running max settings at 3440x1440 and 80-90fps

I have overclocked my AMD 7900XTX as far as it will go on air alone.

Undervolted every step on the frequency curve, cranked up the power, 100% fan duty cycles.

At it's absolute best, it's competitive or trades blows with the 4090D, and is 6% slower than the RTX 4090 Founder's Edition (the slowest of the stock 4090 lineup).

The fastest AMD card is equivalent to a 4080 Super, and the next gen hasn't shown anything new.

AMD needs a 5090-killer. Dual socket or whatever monstrosity which pulls 800W, but it needs to slap that greenbo with at least a 20-50% lead in frame rates across all titles, including raytraced. Then we'll see some serious price cuts and competition.

Folks, ask yourselves, what game is out there that REALLY needs a 5090? If you have the money to piss away, by all means, it's your money. But let's face it, games have plateaued and VR isn't all that great.

Nvidia's market is not you anymore. It's the massive corporations and research firms for useless AI projects or number crunching. They have more money than all gamers combined. Maybe time to go outside; me included.

Cyberpunk 2077 with the VR mod is the only one I can think of. Because it’s not natively built for VR you have to render the world separately for each eye leading to a halving of the overall frame rate. And with 90 fps as the bare minimum for many people in VR you really don’t have a choice but to use the 5090.

Yeah it’s literally only one game/mod, but that would be my use case if I could afford it.

Also the Train World Sim Series. Those games make my tower complain, and my laptop give up.

Thanks for providing insights and inviting a more nuanced discussion. I find it extremely frustrating that in communities like Lemmy it's risky to write comments like this because people assume you're "taking sides."

The entire point of the community should be to have discourse about a topic and go into depth, yet most comments and indeed entire threads are just "Nvidia bad!" with more words.

Obligatory disclaimer that I, too, don't necessarily side with Nvidia.

enjoy never usimg a computer again i guess?

Oh, VR is pretty neat. It sure as shit don't need no $3000 graphics card though.

And/or Intel. (I can dream, right?) Hell, perform a miracle Moore Threads!

He’s talking about DLSS upscaling - not DLSS Frame Generation - which doesn’t add latency.

They’re never mandatory. What are you talking about? Which games can’t run on a 5090 or even 5070 without DLSS?

But your performance isn’t even close to that of a 5090…….

80-90 fps @ 1440 isn’t great. That’s like last gen mid tier nvidia gpu performance.

It absolutely is, because Ray tracing isn’t just about how precise or good the reflections/shadows look, it’s also about reflecting/getting shadows from things that are outside of your field of view. That’s the biggest difference.

One of the first “holy shit!” moments for me was playing doom I think it was, and walking down a corridor and being able to see that there were enemies around the corner by seeing their reflection on the opposite wall. That’s never been possible before, and it’s only possible thanks to raytracing. Same with being able to see shadows from enemies that are behind you out of screen to the side.

Nvidia cards don’t require their own dedicated PSU, what on earth are you talking about?

Also DLSS is not “kinda bullshit”. It’s one of the single biggest innovations in the gaming industry in the last 20 years.

Since when did gfx cards need to cost more than a used car?

We are being scammed by nvidia. They are selling stuff that 20 years ago, the equivalent would have been some massive research prototype. And there would be, like, 2 of them in an nvidia bunker somewhere powering deep thought whilst it calculated the meaning of life, the universe, and everything.

3k for a gfx card. Man my whole pc cost 500 quid and it runs all my games and pcvr just fine.

Could it run better? Sure

Does it need to? Not for 3 grand...

Fuck me!.....

Low rent comment.

First: https://www.corsair.com/us/en/explorer/gamer/gaming-pcs/rtx-5090-5080-and-5070-series-gpus-everything-you-need-to-know/

Second: you apparently are unaware, so just search up the phrase, but as this article very clearly explains...it's shit. It's not innovative, interesting, or improving performance, it's a marketing scam. Games would be run better and more efficiently if you just lower the requirements. It's like saying you want food to taste better, but then they serve you a vegan version of it. AMD's version is technically more useful, but it's still a dumb trick.