Are you ok with just accepting any innocent humans as collateral damage? Bc as far as slippery slopes go, accepting that is a fast track to dehumanization.

I don't believe those scientists deserved to die, but even if you do, why did their spouses and children deserve to die too?

Try to imagine you're the neighbor of that scientist. Good chance you've barely interacted with each other more than a passing nod of acknowledgement when you're coming and going from your home. Do you and your whole family deserve to die bc of proximity to a target?

Apply that same question x all 10 scientists they killed. It almost makes the KGB targeting people with poison seem like humanitarian work by comparison.

If these were your friends and family being killed by a foreign government while they slept in their beds, you would have to be a psychopath to just brush it off as necessary collateral damage.

yeah but if Israel gets them the countries they keep bombing should also get to have them. the country that jerks off to 2A somehow doesn't think so.

I think it's a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.

I actually disagree with that. If we end the flow of weapons and funding to Israel, we'd see a totally different behavior from Israel within the week.

The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3? If the former is not on the table, the latter is inevitable.

And this part, you're saying nuke them or else WW3? That rhetoric is as bad as theirs! If you can't think of any other solutions, then please, don't be part of the solution.

I think it's probably pretty hard to keep simultaneously assassinating 10 targets and their families under wraps, so they're trying to get ahead of accusations by pretending it's a show of military strength instead of horrifying skynet murder.

It looks especially bad when they're pointing the finger at Iran for fucking cluster bombs.

The argument being cluster bombs are a dirty move, but using simultaneous AI powered assassin drones to strike while people are sleeping makes you the good guys?

Man up

Fuck off. You can take that shit elsewhere. Grow a conscience.

Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them,

And we are giving millions in contracts to Palantir to help them create these nightmare AI projects with zero oversight.

Alex Karp's biography makes it pretty clear he's trying to spin this shit as every American's patriotic duty to support, and no different than the Manhattan project (as if that's something great to aspire to in the first fucking place) during WWII.

I hope your right, but i don't know if they know how to stop,

So the USA will never admit it, which somehow means you personally have to have a shitty view supporting genocide, too? I still don't understand the connection, because there isn't one.

Stopping the money and supply of arms sure might help.

Appreciate your optimism that Israel is a solvable problem.

See Budapest Memorandum

I don't agree with Israel at all. But Iran is a theocratic ethnostate as well. One that has pretty loudly proclaimed that the day they have nuclear weapons is the day before they use one on Israel. There's nobody out there who's in a morally high position.

USA is at the core of the Western-Imperialist hedgemony & Israel, Japan & Pakistan gets to have them because they are Pro-Western imperialism

And it's on the IAEA to declare that they are indeed working on a weapons program, not speculation and assumption like yours.

Okay. Don’t use your reason if you’d prefer not to. It does make me wonder though:

Do you think the killing of the civilian scientists was wrong because they were civilian scientists, or because they were ostensibly working on an energy program?

Because as I said, I’m not claiming the murders were justified, just that we ought to be honest about the why.

There are plenty making the argument that Iran needs a nuclear weapons program to prevent exactly these types of attacks. That is intellectually honest. I’m not sure where I fall on that argument, I’d rather no one have nuclear weapons (but obviously that’s not going to happen).

The difference between 5% and 60% enrichment is pretty huge. And the research and effort required to get there is neither cheap nor easy. If what they’re after is nuclear energy, there is absolutely no reason to continue risking the ire of the international community and the repeated attacks by Israel. They’ve had energy-level uranium for a very long time already.

The argument being cluster bombs are a dirty move, but using simultaneous AI powered assassin drones to strike while people are sleeping makes you the good guys?

I mean... That is how this works. Cluster bombs are bad because they're less precise and cause more collateral damage. So weapons that target individuals with high precision are better

But like... Presumably, you're not just individually killing a bunch of civilians precisely

Theocracy maybe, but I definitely wouldn't consider Iran an ethnostate

Theocracy yes, almost as badly as the zionists. Ethnostate no. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, hazbarite.

No one cares about whether or not they use a dashboard to track signals intelligence data. The interesting part of this story is the unpublished assassination weapon, not how they selected targets.

But like... Presumably, you're not just individually killing a bunch of civilians precisely

No, they're not precise at all unless you consider also killing their families and potentially an entire building full of people to be acceptable "precision."

That's why it seems like bullshit to pretend lower tech cluster bombs are an inexcusable evil compared to Palantir AI drones.

No Iran definitely has the moral high ground, by a fair margin. Israel has been committing a genocide, as well as running a full on apartheid ethnostate, if you didn't know. But even if we ignore that, the IAEA as wel as the American intelligence community (think NSA, CIA and so on) have both assessed, as recently as a week ago, that Iran has not attempted to build nuclear weapons since 2003. Iran is being bombed, illegally, based on a lie. That's high ground enough for me.