Microsoft wants Windows Update to handle all apps
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No no no, you see, you have One Note and One Note for Windows 10, so you can, you know, use it in Windows 10... I mean yes you can install One Note but One Note for Windows 10 is better integrated with Outlook but the one thats already installed.
Is that Outlook or Outlook (New)?
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As any current or former Windows admin will know - they can barely handle Windows OS updates without breaking something major every other month.
I mean on the one hand it would be good to do away with all the duplicated efforts of in-app automatic updaters and app 'agents' that tie up background resources. But colour me jaded, i think this will just be a walled garden that app developers have to pay to opt into, and will mean users lose control over which apps they trust to update without thinking, and which they selectively update after a 'hmm i better just check they didnt cause any major bugs' search. A new revenue stream for MS is the primary goal.
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Didn't they just announce they're getting rid of drivers being part of Windows update? They couldn't handle drivers, but want to handle ALL apps? Surely that'll go well.
Are they seriously killing driver updates from windows update?
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Microsoft trying is darndest to comfort me in my decision to move to linux ʘ‿ʘ
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On the one hand, it's about time - APT was released in 1998, and it wasn't even the first package manager.
On the other hand, I'm sure Microsoft will find a way to make it shit.
You’re talking just package managers? Winget has existed for about 5 years. Not to mention the many third party package managers like chocolatey and appget.
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Does this include winget? You can install things directly from any repo with it like an actual package manager.
Maybe it'll be that on the back end?
Who am I kidding, it'll be a brand new system with its own rules and problems.
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Microsoft trying is darndest to comfort me in my decision to move to linux ʘ‿ʘ
So you don't like having your app updates in one tool like apt?
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If they do this, i will stop using windows.
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So you don't like having your app updates in one tool like apt?
Some people aren't going to like anything Microsoft does, even if it mimicks one of the biggest selling points of the systems they left windows for.
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You’re talking just package managers? Winget has existed for about 5 years. Not to mention the many third party package managers like chocolatey and appget.
But winget is still somewhat hacky, this would make use of the actual system updates system and be opt in for better integration
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If they do this, i will stop using windows.
Would you though? Many people say the same thing but here we are. Windows is still dominant in spite of all its failings.
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If they do this, i will stop using windows.
Leaving it for what exactly? Linux? If so, I have some bad news about linux package managers.
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Microsoft trying is darndest to comfort me in my decision to move to linux ʘ‿ʘ
So you left windows for an OS that already handles updates this way, and now you're mad that windows is doing it?
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Leaving it for what exactly? Linux? If so, I have some bad news about linux package managers.
Linux is not Windows.
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Hey, if it means I don't have to pick between five ways to package the same app I may call it a wash.
Of course Windows already has two of those and one sucks.
I'm really torn on this one because I don't necessarily want every app to have to keep a service or do a launch check for updates every time, I'd rather have a single update manager. That's better. But I don't want Windows to know everything I have installed and whether or not it's updated and to pester me with updates of zombie apps I haven't used in years. That's worse.
I guess it comes down to implementation. So knowing MS's track record I am not holding my breath here.
They already know everything you have installed. They have an option to "disable" telemetry but who knows how reliable that is.
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Linux is not Windows.
I agree. My point stands, though. You, a Linux user, believes it is bad that windows plans to handle updates the same way Linux does. That is very weird to me.
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But winget is still somewhat hacky, this would make use of the actual system updates system and be opt in for better integration
Is it? I’ve never actually bothered to look under the hood. I’ll have to give it a peek some time.
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I agree. My point stands, though. You, a Linux user, believes it is bad that windows plans to handle updates the same way Linux does. That is very weird to me.
windows plans to handle updates the same way Linux does
Windows will have snaps and flatpacks and user repo packages that all update separately using separate update utilities, which are themselves separate from the package manager for the general OS?
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Is it? I’ve never actually bothered to look under the hood. I’ll have to give it a peek some time.
I only speak from trying to use it as a package manager, it's reliant on people making custom silent install scripts and updating packages correctly. I had some apps that didn't have their version updated in some file so it always reported being out of date to Winget so it was always downloading and reinstalling. Just janky primarily with third party apps.
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I agree. My point stands, though. You, a Linux user, believes it is bad that windows plans to handle updates the same way Linux does. That is very weird to me.
windows update is known to force updates down your throat, even when it is just not appropriate right now. that's not how things work on linux.
