(Technology Connections) Closed captions on DVDs are getting left behind [33:46]
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There's two parts to this; the dvd player and the video player in the TV (or if it's a HDMI player, in the players firmware).
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DVDs are getting left behind.
DVD's are getting old. Rate of degradation due to manufacturing inperfections is about 1:10 in public library.
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I'm surprised VLC fares that badly with CCs encoded this way. Usually it's pretty good. I'm also now wondering if ffmpeg also shares the same problem
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As a ripper myself for one of the internal groups, both DVDs and Blu rays have this annoying thing where they include the subtitles in image format (PGS for BRs, forgot what the DVD one was). It’s a headache for the rippers and encoders because we then need to OCR the subtitles for the encodes we put out there. Sometimes if we get lucky the movie is on a streaming platform making this process obsolete as we grab the .vtt files from the streaming service and sync it with the BR we’re making (as well as transforming it to .srt) . My only assumption as to why MPAA decided on image format subs for both DVDs and BRs is because it makes it easy to deal with different languages and the likes, you just display a static image and fk everything else. But for the people putting out quality releases if we ship PGS that means we’re just doing a bad job.
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Oh damn, I had no idea that's why a lot of movies had OCR issues with my subtitles. I knew the information, and I had this problem, but I never put it together to realize that it had to be OCRd.
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ownership of media is getting left behind.
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These videos are really interesting but sometimes I really wish they were more concise. I know its his whole thing but damn I want the knowledge.
It's not just the information for me, he's also passionate about the stuff that he explores and that comes across in his videos.
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It's not just the information for me, he's also passionate about the stuff that he explores and that comes across in his videos.
Abaolutely, but I have other things to do I end not getting to watch them
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Yeh that half hour video could have been 5 minutes. Never seen him before but enjoyed his style and how he explains things, but it felt like he said the same thing over and over again 6 times.
I enjoy his work but it can get excessively long winded at times. Not necessarily five minutes but tighter for sure.
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I enjoy his work but it can get excessively long winded at times. Not necessarily five minutes but tighter for sure.
How else could you somehow talk about heat pumps in a completely unrelated video if it wasn't a little too long winded?
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I'm surprised VLC fares that badly with CCs encoded this way. Usually it's pretty good. I'm also now wondering if ffmpeg also shares the same problem
Because of the way those captions are stored VLC has to use OCR to convert the .SRT file (which basically stores low resolution b/w images I assume to easier allow for different alphabets) to normal text. I don't know why the open source solutions are so bad at this (especially considering how good the proprietary solutions seem to be) but I had similar problems ripping a DVD. I would assume that had he turned off the special font VLC uses for the subtitles and instead just seen the raw data there wouldn't have been a problem. Why VLC doesn't enable this by default (/ have this) I don't know.
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I spent my college days ripping and manually correcting OCR'd subtitles for more movies than I care to count in the early 2000s. Do you mean to say I could have monetized it?
Also, fuck lower case Ls and upper case is
Highly doubt you can monetize it. Most groups do it as a hobby because they care about preservation. Internal groups don’t lack the time or storage space. What we do lack is dedicated BluRay rippers from distant regions.
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One format selling better than another dead format is hardly a useful data point.
It’s not really dead, but they’ve definitely scaled down their operations. With streaming services increasing their prices YoY I believe the return to physical media will be cheaper in some cases.
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It’s not really dead, but they’ve definitely scaled down their operations. With streaming services increasing their prices YoY I believe the return to physical media will be cheaper in some cases.
File based formats are just so much better than the shit formats with a specific type of media baked in like Audio CDs and Video DVDs and BR. Especially when those are combined with deliberate deviations from the standard for "copy protection" or with DRM.
Not to mention that you don't have to give up the advantages of networks along with the disadvantages of streaming services. Files can be downloaded, uploaded and copied across the network just fine.
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As a ripper myself for one of the internal groups, both DVDs and Blu rays have this annoying thing where they include the subtitles in image format (PGS for BRs, forgot what the DVD one was). It’s a headache for the rippers and encoders because we then need to OCR the subtitles for the encodes we put out there. Sometimes if we get lucky the movie is on a streaming platform making this process obsolete as we grab the .vtt files from the streaming service and sync it with the BR we’re making (as well as transforming it to .srt) . My only assumption as to why MPAA decided on image format subs for both DVDs and BRs is because it makes it easy to deal with different languages and the likes, you just display a static image and fk everything else. But for the people putting out quality releases if we ship PGS that means we’re just doing a bad job.
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Thank you for your service.
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These videos are really interesting but sometimes I really wish they were more concise. I know its his whole thing but damn I want the knowledge.
I kind of love that about his videos. I scoff at the time, but then start the video and next thing I know it’s a half hour later and I’ve learned something in a surprising amount of depth.
I like a world where not everything needs to be 5 minute videos. Some things can be longer form.
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File based formats are just so much better than the shit formats with a specific type of media baked in like Audio CDs and Video DVDs and BR. Especially when those are combined with deliberate deviations from the standard for "copy protection" or with DRM.
Not to mention that you don't have to give up the advantages of networks along with the disadvantages of streaming services. Files can be downloaded, uploaded and copied across the network just fine.
You’re preaching to the choir. That’s why we spend time making remuxes and encodes. But for release groups to make those we need the format to survive, because Hollywood won’t make the physical media if there’s no copy protection.
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You’re preaching to the choir. That’s why we spend time making remuxes and encodes. But for release groups to make those we need the format to survive, because Hollywood won’t make the physical media if there’s no copy protection.
Hollywood seems to have invented the ultimate in copy protection in recent years anyway, making movies so bad nobody even wants to watch them. It is not used by 100% of movies yet but it is spreading.
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What is the "it" that you think got left behind?
I meant that in the video it's consistently not worked for a very long time. Seems the switch to HDMI left it behind. While it would be nice if devices supported it like he asked, the fact it was skipped in the HDMI standard and not mandated by law means it's unlikely devices racing too the bottom line will ever care. And that's basically what we see. Only the most expensive devices even acknowledge it's an issue.
That said, I hope VLC devs see his video and improve things. I'm sure it's more complicated then it seems but it would be cool for them to add that to the ways they're better than every other player put there.
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As a ripper myself for one of the internal groups, both DVDs and Blu rays have this annoying thing where they include the subtitles in image format (PGS for BRs, forgot what the DVD one was). It’s a headache for the rippers and encoders because we then need to OCR the subtitles for the encodes we put out there. Sometimes if we get lucky the movie is on a streaming platform making this process obsolete as we grab the .vtt files from the streaming service and sync it with the BR we’re making (as well as transforming it to .srt) . My only assumption as to why MPAA decided on image format subs for both DVDs and BRs is because it makes it easy to deal with different languages and the likes, you just display a static image and fk everything else. But for the people putting out quality releases if we ship PGS that means we’re just doing a bad job.
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dvd should be VOBSUB
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And the downloaded ones are never in sync properly.
That's on you for loading the wrong kind.
