Can Tesla's Self-Driving Software Handle Bus-Only Lanes? Not Reliably, No.
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It's not hard to find videos of self-driving Teslas wilding in bus lanes. Check the videos out, then consider:
"There was an interesting side-note in Tesla’s last earnings call, where they explained the main challenge of releasing Full-Self Driving (supervised!) in China was a quirk of Chinese roads: the bus-only lanes.
Well, jeez, we have bus-only lanes here in Chicago, too. Like many other American metropolises… including Austin TX, where Tesla plans to rollout unsupervised autonomous vehicles in a matter of weeks..."
It's one of those regional differences to driving that make a generalizable self-driving platform an exceedingly tough technical nut to crack... unless you're willing to just plain ignore the local rules.
Rest of the worlds solution: remove Tesla
American solution : remove bus lanes
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It’s actually extremely straightforward to mark lanes as “bus-only” when you map out roads
Yeah... until they change. And municipalities are not known for thoroughly documenting their changes, nor companies keeping their info up to date even if those changes are provided.
Sooooo .... You people don't have signs? Because my car can read those.
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What car do you have?
Volkswagen Group vehicle.
Are you saying that just in normal everyday manual driving your car would stop your car automatically from 60mph and not hit a wall because of a collision sensor?
My car's AEBS will apply braking, shake the steering wheel, sound a loud alarm and flash the dashboard. I can't say for sure if it applies full braking, or if that only applies at lower speeds.
Collision sensors are for slow moving things that are like 1m in front/behind you.
Perhaps I've not described the system accurately, because I'm not referring to parking sensors. My car's owner's manual states that AEBS works at speeds up to 220 km/h, and I've personally experienced it trigger while going over 120 km/h.
My take on Rober's video is simply that Tesla's automated driver safety systems are sub-par compared to other manufacturers. Perhaps somebody could perform another test with FSD enabled, but I personally don't think it's safe to require a driver to first enable a specific mode in order to avoid an accident—then they might as well just press the brakes themselves.
I’m not aware of any cars that will use radar, cameras, or lidar all the time and automatically stop your car to a complete standstill while you’re manually operating it. Yours does this? It physically won’t let you run into something, ever?
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It switched autopilot off when the parking sensors (ultrasonic/radar range finder with a very narrow range) detected the wall.
If Tesla isn’t doing that to hide deficiencies from NHTSA investigations, I’ll eat my shoe.
Also FSD is an app running on the same hardware and camera systems as autopilot, what would make it better at “seeing” through mist or a reasonable facsimile of the road up ahead?
No it didn’t switch it off because of that.
FSD and autopilot do different things using the same data. It’s fact that they behave differently.
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The guy posting it everywhere all over reddit and twitter himself says it happened in February. People on here, including myself, have linked to his posts saying it happened in February.
He could simply blur his face…..
Well now you've made me go read all their Reddit comments. It happened February 27, and they said it took 2 months for their insurance to get processed. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to wait until they've got everything sorted out before posting.
Based on pictures of the dash cam files they posted, I don't think they have internal video, they would have had to turn it on before hand I think? Tesla mostly talks about sentry mode internal camera, so I don't actually know if it would record by default.
But again, I don't think it's reasonable to expect them to edit a video with face blurring and everything, they don't owe the Internet anything, and not everyone even knows how.I'll be honest I don't know for sure they're being truthful, but I'm certainly a lot less skeptical about than you. I think enough of their story checks out that I'm not going to discount it based on lack of additional info alone. I haven't seen them contradict themselves anywhere.
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I’m not aware of any cars that will use radar, cameras, or lidar all the time and automatically stop your car to a complete standstill while you’re manually operating it. Yours does this? It physically won’t let you run into something, ever?
Yes, it does. It performs speed sign recognition and lane departure warning continuously as well, but will only perform steering correction above a minimum speed (I believe 50 kmh) and adjust the speed while adaptive cruise control is switched on.
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Well now you've made me go read all their Reddit comments. It happened February 27, and they said it took 2 months for their insurance to get processed. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to wait until they've got everything sorted out before posting.
Based on pictures of the dash cam files they posted, I don't think they have internal video, they would have had to turn it on before hand I think? Tesla mostly talks about sentry mode internal camera, so I don't actually know if it would record by default.
But again, I don't think it's reasonable to expect them to edit a video with face blurring and everything, they don't owe the Internet anything, and not everyone even knows how.I'll be honest I don't know for sure they're being truthful, but I'm certainly a lot less skeptical about than you. I think enough of their story checks out that I'm not going to discount it based on lack of additional info alone. I haven't seen them contradict themselves anywhere.
What about the lies about the version of FSD?
The version they claim to have had at the time wasn’t actually available at that time.
They have provided literally zero evidence that FSD was on. None whatsoever.
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What about the lies about the version of FSD?
The version they claim to have had at the time wasn’t actually available at that time.
They have provided literally zero evidence that FSD was on. None whatsoever.
There's plenty of evidence of other people with the same v13.2.8 version before their crash on Feb 27, for example:
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No it didn’t switch it off because of that.
FSD and autopilot do different things using the same data. It’s fact that they behave differently.
From NHTSA IN 2022:
"The agency's analysis of these sixteen subject first responder and road maintenance vehicle crashes indicated that Forward Collision Warnings (FCW) activated in the majority of incidents immediately prior to impact and that subsequent Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB) intervened in approximately half of the collisions. On average in these crashes, Autopilot aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact," the report reads.
—https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-EA22002-3184.PDF
How else with they suddenly know to hit brakes and stitch off ~1 seconds before impact? Coincidence, or negligent coding?
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From NHTSA IN 2022:
"The agency's analysis of these sixteen subject first responder and road maintenance vehicle crashes indicated that Forward Collision Warnings (FCW) activated in the majority of incidents immediately prior to impact and that subsequent Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB) intervened in approximately half of the collisions. On average in these crashes, Autopilot aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact," the report reads.
—https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-EA22002-3184.PDF
How else with they suddenly know to hit brakes and stitch off ~1 seconds before impact? Coincidence, or negligent coding?
So they tried to hide it from them by explicitly logging when it switched on and off in the data that they report to them? Huh?