LOL at the big debate I read just yesterday about how better wireless headphones are, and how useless jacks on phones are nowadays...

I will never tire of pasting this:

https://biggaybunny.tumblr.com/post/166787080920/tech-enthusiasts-everything-in-my-house-is-wired

The site wants to share info with advertisers. I found this to be refreshingly honest.

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Anyway, can we get an archive link?

This really makes me hate that we don’t have headphone jack anymore

downvoted for that website's super illegal "pay us to not track you" policy

Not on flagships.

Sent from my Redmi Note 11S 5G.

Well, I can recommend the soundcore anker life A1 earbuds for swimming, and the soundcore sleep A20 for low profile earbuds that dont stick out of your ear. Went through atleast 4 sets (wired and wireless) of earbuds for each until settling on these.

This really makes me hate that we don’t have headphone jack anymore

Ive always hated phones without the 3.5mm and won't stop even if all phone manufacturers remove it

What is that site asking me to agree to? No thanks

Same. I can't find any Bluetooth headphones whose batteries don't die in 4 or 5 months anyway. Meanwhile my Moondrop wired headphones have been going strong for almost 3 years.

At least you can still get adapters for phones that don’t have it

Indeed, I don't really see the problem. Instead of a single use port you have a practically universal port. That's better, surely.

instead of

Yeah but it was never a matter of "insTeAD Of," it's in addition to, meaning you get to use the same favourite set of headpdones you use with literally every other device while keeping the practically universal port free for other purposes at the same time!!!! 🤯🤯🤯
Now isn't that wizard?

You can still do that with an adapter though?

Now here's the amazing bit: imagine being able to do that without needing to carry an additional thing around.

I guess I'm used to it. Besides, imagine not using a cable at all--even better?

The flaws, discovered by German cybersecurity firm ERNW and first reported by Heise Online, affect dozens of headphone models from brands such as Sony, JBL, Bose, and Marshall, with no comprehensive firmware fixes available yet.

• Sony WH-1000XM4/5/6, WF-1000XM3/4/5, LinkBuds S, ULT Wear, CH-720N, C500, C510-GFP, XB910N
• Marshall ACTON III, MAJOR V, MINOR IV, MOTIF II, STANMORE III, WOBURN III
• JBL Live Buds 3, Endurance Race 2
• Jabra Elite 8 Active
• Bose QuietComfort Earbuds
• Beyerdynamic Amiron 300
• Jlab Epic Air Sport ANC
• Teufel Airy TWS 2
• MoerLabs EchoBeatz
• Xiaomi Redmi Buds 5 Pro
• earisMax Bluetooth Auracast Sender

ERNW emphasizes that this is only a partial list.

Source

I can insert a cable faster into my phone than most Bluetooth headphones connect. Audio quality also tends to be better with wired headphones and uses less of the battery power. A lot of the times a dedicated single use port is much better than a jack of all trades port.

I mean, there were legitimate technical issues with the standard, especially on smartphones, which is where they really got pushed out. Most other devices do have headphones jacks. If I get a laptop, it's probably got a headphones jack. Radios will have headphones jacks. Get a mixer, it's got a headphones jack. I don't think that the standard is going to vanish anytime soon in general.

I like headphones jacks. I have a ton of 1/8" and 1/4" devices and headphones that I happily use. But they weren't doing it for no reason.

• From what I've read, the big, driving one that drove them out on smartphones was that the jack just takes up a lot more physical space in the phone than USB-C or Bluetooth. I'd rather just have a thicker phone, but a lot of people don't, and if you're going all over the phone trying to figure out what to eject to buy more space, that's gonna be a big target. For people who do want a jack on smartphones, which invariably have USB-C, you can get a similar effect to having a headphones jack by just leaving a small USB-C audio interface with a headphones jack on the end of your headphones (one with a passthrough USB-C port if you also want to use a USB-C port for other things).

• A second issue was that the standard didn't have a way to provide power (there was a now-dead extension from many years back that is now dead, IIRC for MD players, that let a small amount of power be provided with an extra ring). That didn't matter for a long time, as long as your device could put out a strong enough signal to drive headphones of whatever impedance you had. But ANC has started to become popular now, and you need power for ANC. This is really the first time I think that there's a solid reason to want to power headphones.

• The connection got shorted when plugging things in and out, which could result in loud sound on the membrane.

• USB-C is designed so that the springy tensioning stuff that's there to keep the connection solid is on the (cheap, easy to replace) cord rather than the (expensive, hard to replace) device; I understand from past reading that this was a major reason that micro-USB replaced mini-USB. Instead of your device wearing out, the cord wears out. Not as much of an issue for headphones as mini-USB, but I think that it's probably fair to say that it's desirable to have the tensioning on the cord side.

• On USB-C, the right part breaks. One irritation I have with USB-C is that it is...kind of flimsy. Like, it doesn't require that much force pushing on a plug sideways to damage a plug. However --- and I don't know if this was a design goal for USB-C, though I suspect it was --- my experience has been that if that happens, it's the plug on the (cheap, easy to replace) cord that gets damaged, not the device. I have a television with a headphones jack that I destroyed by tripping over a headphones cord once, because the headphones jack was nice and durable and let me tear components inside the television off. I've damaged several USB-C cables, but I've never damaged the device they're connected to while doing so.

On an interesting note, the standard is extremely old, probably one of the oldest data standards in general use today; the 1/4" mono standard was from phone switchboards in the 1800s.

EDIT: Also, one other perk of using USB-C instead of a built-in headphones jack on a smartphone is that if the DAC on your phone sucks, going the USB-C-audio-interface route means that you can use a different DAC. Can't really change the internal DAC. I don't know about other people, but last phone I had that did have an audio jack would let through a "wub wub wub" sound when I was charging it on USB off my car's 12V cigarette lighter adapter --- dirty power, but USB power is often really dirty. Was really obnoxious when feeding my car's stereo via its AUX port. That's very much fixable by putting some filtering on the DAC's power supply, maybe needs a capacitor on the thing, but the phone manufacturer didn't do it, maybe to save space or money. That's not something that I can go fix. I eventually worked around it by getting a battery-powered Bluetooth receiver that had a 1/8" headphones jack, cutting the phone's DAC out of the equation. The phone's internal DAC worked fine when the phone wasn't charging, but I wanted to have the phone plugged in for navigation stuff when I was driving.