Judge Rules Training AI on Authors' Books Is Legal But Pirating Them Is Not
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It's pretty simple as I see it. You treat AI like a person. A person needs to go through legal channels to consume material, so piracy for AI training is as illegal as it would be for personal consumption. Consuming legally possessed copywritten material for "inspiration" or "study" is also fine for a person, so it is fine for AI training as well. Commercializing derivative works that infringes on copyright is illegal for a person, so it should be illegal for an AI as well. All produced materials, even those inspired by another piece of media, are permissible if not monetized, otherwise they need to be suitably transformative. That line can be hard to draw even when AI is not involved, but that is the legal standard for people, so it should be for AI as well. If I browse through Deviant Art and learn to draw similarly my favorite artists from their publically viewable works, and make a legally distinct cartoon mouse by hand in a style that is similar to someone else's and then I sell prints of that work, that is legal. The same should be the case for AI.
But! Scrutiny for AI should be much stricter given the inherent lack of true transformative creativity. And any AI that has used pirated materials should be penalized either by massive fines or by wiping their training and starting over with legally licensed or purchased or otherwise public domain materials only.
But AI is not a person. It's very weird idea to treat it like a person.
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But AI is not a person. It's very weird idea to treat it like a person.
No it's a tool, created and used by people. You're not treating the tool like a person. Tools are obviously not subject to laws, can't break laws, etc.. Their usage is subject to laws. If you use a tool to intentionally, knowingly, or negligently do things that would be illegal for you to do without the tool, then that's still illegal. Same for accepting money to give others the privilege of doing those illegal things with your tool without any attempt at moderating said things that you know is happening. You can argue that maybe the law should be more strict with AI usage than with a human if you have a good legal justification for it, but there's really no way to justify being less strict.
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“I torrented all this music and movies to train my local ai models”
That's legal just don't look at them or enjoy them.
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Bangs
gabblegavel.Gets sack with dollar sign
“Oh good, my laundry is done”
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brb, training a 1-layer neural net so i can ask it to play Pixar films
Good luck fitting it in RAM lol.
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Fuck the AI nut suckers and fuck this judge.
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Yeah I have a bash one liner AI model that ingests your media and spits out a 99.9999999% accurate replica through the power of changing the filename.
cpOut performs the latest and greatest AI models
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So authors must declare legally "this book must not be used for AI training unless a license is agreed on" as a clause in the book purchase.
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People. ML AI's are not a human. It's machine. Why do you want to give it human rights?
Sounds like natural personhood for AI is coming
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calm down everyone.
its only legal for parasitic mega corps, the normal working people will be harassed to suicide same as before.its only a crime if the victims was rich or perpetrator was not rich.
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Yeah I have a bash one liner AI model that ingests your media and spits out a 99.9999999% accurate replica through the power of changing the filename.
cpOut performs the latest and greatest AI models
mvwill save you some disk space. -
Trains model to change one pixel per frame with malicious intent
From dark gray to slightly darker gray.
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Yeah I have a bash one liner AI model that ingests your media and spits out a 99.9999999% accurate replica through the power of changing the filename.
cpOut performs the latest and greatest AI models
I call this legally distinct, this is legal advice.
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Unpopular opinion but I don't see how it could have been different.
- There's no way the west would give AI lead to China which has no desire or framework to ever accept this.
- Believe it or not but transformers are actually learning by current definitions and not regurgitating a direct copy. It's transformative work - it's even in the name.
- This is actually good as it prevents market moat for super rich corporations only which could afford the expensive training datasets.
This is an absolute win for everyone involved other than copyright hoarders and mega corporations.
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calm down everyone.
its only legal for parasitic mega corps, the normal working people will be harassed to suicide same as before.its only a crime if the victims was rich or perpetrator was not rich.
Right. Where's the punishment for Meta who admitted to pirating books?
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mvwill save you some disk space.Unless you're moving across partitions it will change the filesystem metadata to move the path, but not actually do anything to the data. Sorry, you failed, it's jail for you.
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I think this means we can make a torrent client with a built in function that uses 0.1% of 1 CPU core to train an ML model on anything you download. You can download anything legally with it then.
...no?
That's exactly what the ruling prohibits - it's fair use to train AI models on any copies of books that you legally acquired, but never when those books were illegally acquired, as was the case with the books that Anthropic used in their training here.
This satirical torrent client would be violating the laws just as much as one without any slow training built in.
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This 240TB JBOD full of books? Oh heavens forbid, we didn’t pirate it. It uhh… fell of a truck, yes, fell off a truck.
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It's extremely frustrating to read this comment thread because it's obvious that so many of you didn't actually read the article, or even half-skim the article, or even attempted to even comprehend the title of the article for more than a second.
For shame.
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...no?
That's exactly what the ruling prohibits - it's fair use to train AI models on any copies of books that you legally acquired, but never when those books were illegally acquired, as was the case with the books that Anthropic used in their training here.
This satirical torrent client would be violating the laws just as much as one without any slow training built in.
But if one person buys a book, trains an "AI model" to recite it, then distributes that model we good?
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