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In North Korea, your phone secretly takes screenshots every 5 minutes for government surveillance

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  • I love how, for everyone, media literacy seemingly goes straight out the window the moment North Korea is mentioned. I remember a few years back every mainstream media outlet reporting that sarcasm was banned in NK, and that everyone had to get the same haircut as Kim Jong Un. Journalism at its finest.

    Then you get these two madlads who go and find out..

    The news clip commentary:

    The full video:

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    A smartphone smuggled out of North Korea is offering a rare – and unsettling – glimpse into the extent of control Kim Jong Un's regime exerts over its citizens, down to the very words they type. While the device appears outwardly similar to any modern smartphone, its software reveals a far more oppressive reality.
    The phone was featured in a BBC video, which showed it powering on with an animated North Korean flag waving across the screen. While the report did not specify the brand, the design and user interface closely resembled those of a Huawei or Honor device.

    It's unclear whether these companies officially sell phones in North Korea, but if they do, the devices are likely customized with state-approved software designed to restrict functionality and facilitate government surveillance.

    One of the more revealing – and darkly amusing – features was the phone's automatic censorship of words deemed problematic by the state. For instance, when users typed oppa, a South Korean term used to refer to an older brother or a boyfriend, the phone automatically replaced it with comrade. A warning would then appear, admonishing the user that oppa could only refer to an older sibling.

    Typing "South Korea" would trigger another change. The phrase was automatically replaced with "puppet state," reflecting the language used in official North Korean rhetoric.

    Then came the more unsettling features. The phone silently captured a screenshot every five minutes, storing the images in a hidden folder that users couldn't access. According to the BBC, authorities could later review these images to monitor the user's activity.

    The device was smuggled out of North Korea by Daily NK, a Seoul-based media outlet specializing in North Korean affairs. After examining the phone, the BBC confirmed that the censorship mechanisms were deeply embedded in its software. Experts say this technology is designed not only to control information but also to reinforce state messaging at the most personal level.

    Smartphone usage has grown in North Korea in recent years, but access remains tightly controlled. Devices cannot connect to the global internet and are subject to intense government surveillance.

    The regime has reportedly intensified efforts to eliminate South Korean cultural influence, which it views as subversive. So-called "youth crackdown squads" have been deployed to enforce these rules, frequently stopping young people on the streets to inspect their phones and review text messages for banned language.

    Some North Korean escapees have shared that exposure to South Korean dramas or foreign radio broadcasts played a key role in their decision to flee the country. Despite the risks, outside media continues to be smuggled in – often via USB sticks and memory cards hidden in food shipments. Much of this effort is supported by foreign organizations.

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  • You're gonna cook up a crazy theory like that and not even mention big daddy capitalism?

    edit: I was making a joke, it didn't land right. I agree with you, I probably wouldn't be on this website if I didn't.

    How is that a "crazy theory"? Information control is not directly tied to capitalism but to any form of regime. The Western model and social media is, of course, strongly tied to capitalism and the desire for economic growth. How does that add to it?

  • You're gonna cook up a crazy theory like that and not even mention big daddy capitalism?

    edit: I was making a joke, it didn't land right. I agree with you, I probably wouldn't be on this website if I didn't.

    What's crazy about that?

    Haven't heard of, e.g., Cambridge Analytica?

  • Storing individual button presses is ridiculous because that is much too low level when the apps also have much more high level information about your activities available. It is literally more useless than data you can acquire just as easily.

    Probably. Although such low level interactions can also contribute. Depending on what someone wants to do or needs.

  • After examining the phone, the BBC confirmed that the censorship mechanisms were deeply embedded in its software.

    Remember, this could happen in your country.

    Its always "It Can't Happen Here" until it does.

  • Then you get these two madlads who go and find out..

    The news clip commentary:

    The full video:

    The best boys

  • this guy eating up the propaganda.
    🤡

    LOL removed

  • Well are we putting people in prison with the help of them? A secret screenshot folder nobody can exploit isn't very useful ...

    Not saying it can't be done (you are of course right there), we hand it over freely often, but that the implications are not death to your family.

    You dont have to bring them to court with it for it to be useful. It could be used to target individuals then they use more conventional methods of evidence gathering to arrest.

    I would guess they arent currently doing it enmasse because that doesnt sound useful either. I would say, solely on a vibes based level its been done by US intelligence. Its really not so different than a wiretap.

  • I don't have the time right now to addeess all of this, but:
    Device interactions can be used to identify users, predict and manipulate their behaviour, contribute to further identification measures etc..

    Furthermore my point was that there are many reasons to be cautious about any type of data collection and processing. Saying a specific type would be ridiculous undermines the possible dangers stemming from this. Therefore I wouldn't plainly discard these concerns.

    Even if, in this context, the transmission is not widely noticed, this doesn't pose a universal guarantee, especially if this can be turned on on demand via backdoors, trojans or whatever. Even worse if the transmission can be hidden. (Less likely for very proficient users with extremely tight network monitoring & control, but that's rarely the case.)

    I absolutely agree with you. What I'm arguing against is baseless FUD without any specifics, any sources, any details, and making extraodinary claims without extraordinary evidence. I didn't mean that the type of tracking is ridiculous, what I'm saying is ridiculous is the claim that Google is collecting the logs of EVERY touch on EVERY Android device. Does that claim even needs to be disproven?

    • Is that happening on Chinese Android phones without any Google services?
    • Is that happening on AOSP phones without Google services?
    • Is that happening on GrapheneOS, on other custom ROMs?
    • Is that happening on my washing machine that for some reason runs Android?
    • Is that baked into the system? From which Android version? In a particular system app? Where can I see these logs of all touches for myself?

    It is patently obvious it cannot be happening on EVERY Android device. And I'd welcome evidence that it's happening on even a SINGLE one. But I don't see it. Because it's made up hyperbole that's poisoning the discussion of real tracking.

    Because your touches are tracked. But not system-wide, but in individual apps, by the individual developers, most of whom don't share the data with Google, only if you use these apps, and each developer can only track what's happening in their own app. Which is worth talking about, but it's hard when people are just making stuff up.

  • I'm glad these exists, but remember that these only work as long as device manufacturers don't lock the bootloaders.

    Your country's government could pass a law that requires bootloaders to be locked for "national security" reasons, and there'd probably not be much resistance since most people don't even use custom roms. (Looking at you, USA and the autocratization)

  • That secret screenshot folder would eat up your storage quite fast, and it would be known, from whistleblowers, workers having to check the screenshots, "proof coming out from it" etc etc etc

    Developed by Xerox and Canon in the mid-1980s, the existence of these tracking codes became public only in 2004.

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    A smartphone smuggled out of North Korea is offering a rare – and unsettling – glimpse into the extent of control Kim Jong Un's regime exerts over its citizens, down to the very words they type. While the device appears outwardly similar to any modern smartphone, its software reveals a far more oppressive reality.
    The phone was featured in a BBC video, which showed it powering on with an animated North Korean flag waving across the screen. While the report did not specify the brand, the design and user interface closely resembled those of a Huawei or Honor device.

    It's unclear whether these companies officially sell phones in North Korea, but if they do, the devices are likely customized with state-approved software designed to restrict functionality and facilitate government surveillance.

    One of the more revealing – and darkly amusing – features was the phone's automatic censorship of words deemed problematic by the state. For instance, when users typed oppa, a South Korean term used to refer to an older brother or a boyfriend, the phone automatically replaced it with comrade. A warning would then appear, admonishing the user that oppa could only refer to an older sibling.

    Typing "South Korea" would trigger another change. The phrase was automatically replaced with "puppet state," reflecting the language used in official North Korean rhetoric.

    Then came the more unsettling features. The phone silently captured a screenshot every five minutes, storing the images in a hidden folder that users couldn't access. According to the BBC, authorities could later review these images to monitor the user's activity.

    The device was smuggled out of North Korea by Daily NK, a Seoul-based media outlet specializing in North Korean affairs. After examining the phone, the BBC confirmed that the censorship mechanisms were deeply embedded in its software. Experts say this technology is designed not only to control information but also to reinforce state messaging at the most personal level.

    Smartphone usage has grown in North Korea in recent years, but access remains tightly controlled. Devices cannot connect to the global internet and are subject to intense government surveillance.

    The regime has reportedly intensified efforts to eliminate South Korean cultural influence, which it views as subversive. So-called "youth crackdown squads" have been deployed to enforce these rules, frequently stopping young people on the streets to inspect their phones and review text messages for banned language.

    Some North Korean escapees have shared that exposure to South Korean dramas or foreign radio broadcasts played a key role in their decision to flee the country. Despite the risks, outside media continues to be smuggled in – often via USB sticks and memory cards hidden in food shipments. Much of this effort is supported by foreign organizations.

    Is it really a secret if its known they do this?

  • Archived Link

    A smartphone smuggled out of North Korea is offering a rare – and unsettling – glimpse into the extent of control Kim Jong Un's regime exerts over its citizens, down to the very words they type. While the device appears outwardly similar to any modern smartphone, its software reveals a far more oppressive reality.
    The phone was featured in a BBC video, which showed it powering on with an animated North Korean flag waving across the screen. While the report did not specify the brand, the design and user interface closely resembled those of a Huawei or Honor device.

    It's unclear whether these companies officially sell phones in North Korea, but if they do, the devices are likely customized with state-approved software designed to restrict functionality and facilitate government surveillance.

    One of the more revealing – and darkly amusing – features was the phone's automatic censorship of words deemed problematic by the state. For instance, when users typed oppa, a South Korean term used to refer to an older brother or a boyfriend, the phone automatically replaced it with comrade. A warning would then appear, admonishing the user that oppa could only refer to an older sibling.

    Typing "South Korea" would trigger another change. The phrase was automatically replaced with "puppet state," reflecting the language used in official North Korean rhetoric.

    Then came the more unsettling features. The phone silently captured a screenshot every five minutes, storing the images in a hidden folder that users couldn't access. According to the BBC, authorities could later review these images to monitor the user's activity.

    The device was smuggled out of North Korea by Daily NK, a Seoul-based media outlet specializing in North Korean affairs. After examining the phone, the BBC confirmed that the censorship mechanisms were deeply embedded in its software. Experts say this technology is designed not only to control information but also to reinforce state messaging at the most personal level.

    Smartphone usage has grown in North Korea in recent years, but access remains tightly controlled. Devices cannot connect to the global internet and are subject to intense government surveillance.

    The regime has reportedly intensified efforts to eliminate South Korean cultural influence, which it views as subversive. So-called "youth crackdown squads" have been deployed to enforce these rules, frequently stopping young people on the streets to inspect their phones and review text messages for banned language.

    Some North Korean escapees have shared that exposure to South Korean dramas or foreign radio broadcasts played a key role in their decision to flee the country. Despite the risks, outside media continues to be smuggled in – often via USB sticks and memory cards hidden in food shipments. Much of this effort is supported by foreign organizations.

    Whaaaat? Are they using Windows smartphones with Copilot in Korea? 😮

  • frequently stopping young people on the streets to inspect their phones and review text messages for banned language

    I'm really tired of people saying "both sides are the same" when it comes to western capitalist exploitation vs eastern totalitarian authoritarianism.

    It's ironically so privileged to even make the comparison because if it were the same, you wouldn't have been allowed to make this comment.

    if it were the same, you wouldn’t have been allowed to make this comment.

    It works both ways. Is OP allowed to make the comment because he is more priviliged or because he has less power and is less of a threat?

    Remember the McCarthy era. There can be more restrictions if needed.

  • Whaaaat? Are they using Windows smartphones with Copilot in Korea? 😮

    Windows Recall is approved by the supreme leader.

  • All mobile manufacturers could be doing this too. All of the SoCs are proprietary black boxes as are the modems.

    Let's not forget sim cards are tiny computers as well.

  • There is no better regime than the West in this regard. Force things on people? You're gonna risk a revolt or dissent. 'Subtly' make people dependent on your product so they'll voluntarily use it and share everything with you while you 'subtly' control the algorithm in your favour? Now that's perfect. Social media is the ultimate tool of power and governance.

    Although North Korea is a very "successful" oppressive regime, largely able to have full control over information both in and out of the country and to greatly limit desertion. I can't think of a "better" regime in this regard.

    It's a matter of rhetoric a lot of the times with the states. We don't invade countries, we defend democracy. Our government doesn't spy on us, they protect homeland security. Etc etc

  • Whaaaat? Are they using Windows smartphones with Copilot in Korea? 😮

    That's Best Korea^TM^ to you!

  • Whaaaat? Are they using Windows smartphones with Copilot in Korea? 😮

    lemmygrad and hexbear users now scavenging for windows phones

    Bill Gates is actually a based ally!

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