I dunno, I'm from New Jersey. I can tell you about New Jersey though. Our two main providers of electric and gas utilities are PSEG and JCPL. Putting aside that they're both major corporations and those suck, JCPL also sucks at providing the service it basically forces you to get (because there's obviously no real alternatives), and PSEG is pretty good. I have not had a legitimate (>2 hours) power outage since I bought my home 11+ years ago. Regardless of my good fortune, we experience struggles in presumably the same fashion as much of the country: the hots are hotter and shit is expensive AF.

I'm sorry none of this is relevant.

Wyoming is corrupt as fuck. Coal is in charge there

*a barn goes dark

I have seen impulsive gaslighting and malicious classified spill out of every one of these ai. Straight up doing verbal abuse.

Edit: I'm gonna go on. I forget what I was talking about, but I was connecting various facts and asking about Epstein stuff. It immediately and repeatedly classified it as non serious conspiracy, and after pressing, presented facts backing 4 out of 5 of the things it said was crazy, and there have been books written saying the exact same thing.

Remember how we were told to switch to led lights and efficient appliances to conserve power? Guess it was just to save it for data centers.

Fake news! Everyone knows Wyoming was made up by the deep state and doesn't actually exist.

or use less water because the AI center needs it to cool off. its funny how all these AI data centers are only in red states, they dont make a fuss over it, but if they tried this a blue one, people would raise hell over it.

its was so that coal/gas/oil dont need to reduce thier own footprint, they moved onto "you should reduce yours" and were funding fake eco-activism and "reduce your footprint companies" so we dont do it.

Residential homes use about 12% of the consumed fresh water in the United States.

Their whole industries that scrape a bit of profit off of a huge amount of America's water. Like exporting alfalfa grown in a desert.

Because solar and wind plants, while they can be cheap and relatively fast to build, are not as reliable as a datacenter need and it is not predictable, so at most they can supplement some other generation method, in this scenario. Then ok, you probably need less fossil fuel (but gas is not necessary fossil these days).
And a nuclear plant is probably way longer to build than the datacenter itself, if you ever get the green light to build it.

Yes, and my bill become 1/5 of what it was, so maybe is was a not so stupid thing to do.

Reminds me of the story of Texas paying bitcoin farms millions of dollars not to use energy during heat waves https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bitcoin-mining-cryptocurrency-riot-texas-power-grid/

1 gigawatt is not that insane, and I doubt it's what the datacenter consumes. A rack can easily get into double, even triple digits kW for GPU heavy setups. So let's say 10 racks per Megawatt. I'm sure such a datacenter has more than 10.000 racks. Plus A/C, and all other "ancillary" uses. A normal datacenter can get close to 1 GW, this thing might be double digits, but I doubt they will publish exact numbers.

Every square kilometer of land (0.38 Sq miles in freedom units) gets about a GW of heat from the sun (depending on latitude). I doubt one datacenter will contribute that much...

I don't know, I've been in some hot places but massive cooling towers tend to radiate a bit more (now I know what I'm reading about today) and a data center without the ability to pump heat outside isn't going to make it a whole day before it's toast.

Not necessarily disagreeing, just curious about how much heat is dispersed by the ones here.

Why is this guy saying a datacenter generates energy?

It's less absurd than it sounds and requires understanding how modern data center facilities that are being deployed by big tech actually work and run at a facility-wide and systemic level. They do generate this energy, they just proceed to use it. Notice he says roughly a gigawatt of energy, which is nowhere near the gross need for the facility as per the article.

Most modern data centers built in the past few years, especially those that are "campuses" as described, have on-site power generation solutions. Sometimes this means classic oil/coal/gas generators on the property, sometimes it means more involved and nuanced situations. What Lehane is telling the AP here is that, of the energy consumed by the new data center as a whole, "roughly and depending how you count," 1 gigawatt comes from such sources. The article clearly states the center is set to deploy at 1.8 gigawatts consumption scaling up to 10 gigawatts over the lifespan of the facility. Presumably these are on the same time scales and everything. Frankly, for an AP article this was written quite poorly and the exact meaning of most this information isn't very clear. I don't think that's Lehane's fault implicitly. Just seems like bad reporting.

People have this image in their heads of these big data centers opening up and just like, sucking up all the power from the local grid due to their demand and this is what causes things such as blackouts. This is mildly incorrect. The negative effects of these data centers' power demands is less to do with them "overloading" public grids and more to do with the market economy of energy. You get blackouts because all the energy they can't generate themselves on-site must be acquired somewhere else. They can walk up to the local power companies and buy energy just like any private citizen can. They often get discounted rates compared to the plebes, too. You end up with blackouts because the energy companies don't give a shit who they sell their product to, they just care that it sells. When companies like Microsoft, Nvidia, or OpenAI roll up with significantly more capital and resources than anyone else in the local economy, they're easily able to out-compete even the entirety of the local domestic power demand. That's what causes blackouts.

No one wants to talk about this because it's easier to just say braindead shit like "fuck datacenters/AI/big-tech/fuckingwhateveritis" so you can feel like you're "on the right side" than it is to acknowledge the long line of people in both the public and private sectors who had to rubber-stamp personally fucking the average person for us to even get to this point. Does big tech suck absolutely, fat, stinking donkey balls? For fucking sure. Are they anything more than a symptom of a much more entrenched societal rot? Nope.

Can imagine, but hey, someone's gotta pay for all those Sora videos I'm generating and trashing because the subject had too many extremities.

keepin my fingers crossed for nuclear.

Will AI finally be the push we needed to seriously invest in Nuclear 100%?
I'd rather that than solar panel companies create a bunch of garbage to say that they're "saving le planet"

Me with suno songs lmao