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  • You jest but would you really install Arch on your grandmother’s PC?

    Why not ? I suppose that as long as a browser (and whatever else she need) is working, my grandmother would not need much more. And I could also install a windows11 theme on KDE, if I really want to. A icon is a icon

    And in the end I think that my grandmother would be able to mantain neither a window machine, so I don't see the problem.

  • Sure, that's an argument for why the stock price is suffering, not for why macOS is in danger. Apple is still massively profitable, the stock price just reflects the market's perception that profits won't increase as fast as their competitors.

    Again, why are you so over focused on stock price? As a consumer, how is the first thing you take away from lack of innovation and engineering failures that Apples stock price may suffer and not that the machine you are buying may be sub-par and overpriced?

  • Again, why are you so over focused on stock price? As a consumer, how is the first thing you take away from lack of innovation and engineering failures that Apples stock price may suffer and not that the machine you are buying may be sub-par and overpriced?

    I'm agreeing w/ you that stock price is irrelevant here, and that's what the video opens with. The market is unhappy w/ Apple because they're delivering essentially what people claim to want: a solid product with steady improvements w/o anything crazy. Microsoft, on the other hand, is delivering what the market wants, which is shoving AI into everything.

    I guess I don't understand why the video is relevant to the average user, who doesn't really care about innovation and instead wants a consistent experience.

  • I'm agreeing w/ you that stock price is irrelevant here, and that's what the video opens with. The market is unhappy w/ Apple because they're delivering essentially what people claim to want: a solid product with steady improvements w/o anything crazy. Microsoft, on the other hand, is delivering what the market wants, which is shoving AI into everything.

    I guess I don't understand why the video is relevant to the average user, who doesn't really care about innovation and instead wants a consistent experience.

    I highly doubt there is a user that truly does not care for innovation. If there is a better product for the same price, who wouldn't buy it.

    More importantly, the impact is not just innovative features but security, price of ownership and reliability. Apple managed to "innovate" themselves into a position where they are obstructing data rescue on Macs and iPhones. That's the kind of thing you may not be thinking about when buying but may greatly regret not having when you need it.

  • Fully overwriting an SSD is so archaic.

    Example from hdparm:

    --trim-sector-range
    For Solid State Drives (SSDs). EXCEPTIONALLY DANGEROUS. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION!! Tells the drive firmware to discard unneeded data sectors, destroying any data that may have been present within them. This makes those sectors available for immediate use by the firmware's garbage collection mechanism, to improve scheduling for wear-leveling of the flash media. This option expects one or more sector range pairs immediately after the option: an LBA starting address, a colon, and a sector count (max 65535), with no intervening spaces. EXCEPTIONALLY DANGER‐ OUS. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION!!

    I think the all caps warnings say it all.
    This is only for the trim sectors of the disk but I can't imagine it being much different overwriting a whole disk.
    Not to mention, as OP said, an old and very used disk.
    Quick formatting should be enough to prevent any normal user from extracting meaningful data from the flash storage as only the controller knows how to piece together the flash cells to a file.
    If the controller forgets it, the files are toast anyway.
    At best write some random data to a quarter of the disk or something lile that.

    File recovery may only be possible if you give it to a drive recovery facility. But remember: Those ain't exactly cheap.
    A client paid some 4 figure price because an HDD died. Just for a small amount of files.

    @zer0bitz@lemmy.world did a SecureErase, which is an entirely different function. It was exactly made to be used in this scenario: user is selling their laptop.

    other than that, hdparm --trim-sector-range is most probably only marked dangerous because with a slight miscalculation you can wipe some of your data and you won't even know how much damage you did. I'm pretty sure the fstrim command relies on this, which is executed every few weeks on my system, by default. check systemctl status fstrim.timer, maybe on yours too.

    Quick formatting should be enough to prevent any normal user from extracting meaningful data from the flash storage as only the controller knows how to piece together the flash cells to a file.

    what do you mean by quick formatting? how do you do that on linux? I have only heard this term with te windows disk management tool.

    on windows quick formatting only deletes the partition entry from the partition table. that's why it's quick. all the former data is there and can be easily recovered, given you know the former partition boundaries, which can also be recovered by tools. the ssd controller won't know a thing, it won't forget where it should look for each LBA address.

  • Why not ? I suppose that as long as a browser (and whatever else she need) is working, my grandmother would not need much more. And I could also install a windows11 theme on KDE, if I really want to. A icon is a icon

    And in the end I think that my grandmother would be able to mantain neither a window machine, so I don't see the problem.

    I think most of the replies to my remark thought I was questioning Linux for grandma overall. I wasn’t. Just Arch. I don’t think grandma needs rolling releases.

  • Yeah, it's honestly crazy to me because I think lockdowns were a net benefit to me. I was able to spend more time with my SO and kids, I had time for exercise and hobbies since I didn't need to sit in traffic, and I didn't need to spend as much social energy making small talk (I'm introverted). I honestly thrived during COVID. Getting COVID sucked for the week or so I had symptoms, but that was honestly a small price to pay for solitude.

    But then I see headlines of people literally going crazy, see a dramatic increase in road rage in my area (which didn't have lockdowns, only social distancing for businesses), and see my own extended family struggling.

    I feel so bad for people like your grandparents that suffered. I just personally wish the COVID lifestyle was more accessible.

    I just personally wish the COVID lifestyle was more accessible.

    Same, it suited me quite well and I feel bad saying I missed it because so many others, including some of my own family and friends, suffered. Now that I'm back in the office 5 days a week, I lose >2 hours a day with my kids. I had my own parents say "i don't get why you're complaining, we got by before COVID" while refusing to acknowledge it's different because one of them stayed home with us, while my wife and I must both work to survive.

    I grew up in a religious conservative family. These and other experiences drove me to the left in a big way. I see now that thinking we can solve systemic issues with individualism is bullshit. I want a world where my wife or I could stay home (or some communal solution) to raise our family right rather than having a bunch of latchkey kids and being stuck doing chores from the moment we get home until the moment we lie down. Some people say "well that's how I was raised" but it isn't right.

  • Unlucky for you then. I’m gonna be having an absolute blast on Battlefield 6 in a few months 😀

    I very seriously doubt that but cope away haha

  • I very seriously doubt that but cope away haha

    You doubt I'll be having a blast playing Battlefield 6? Why?

  • You doubt I'll be having a blast playing Battlefield 6? Why?

    Why?

    it's made by ea

  • A few things here.....

    1. I've already played the game for 20+ hours. I loved almost every second of it, and some of the things I didn't have already been addressed. They're taking player feedback seriously.

    2. Battlefield 6 is made by a whole new studio, not "EA DICE", helmed by one of the best in the history of the industry for these games - Vince Zampella.

    3. Not everything by EA is bad, and anyone saying anything like that is immediately showing they shouldn't be listened to.

    4. Again - I've already played the game via the beta. I know I'm going to have an absolute blast. I didn't like the last few BF games, so I didn't buy them. This one is a return to form from what everyone has seen and played.

    5. You tell me to "cope away" while basing your entire opinion on a wikipedia article that's pretty much got nothing to do with the actual game that's being discussed lol. Who is "coping"?

  • I think most of the replies to my remark thought I was questioning Linux for grandma overall. I wasn’t. Just Arch. I don’t think grandma needs rolling releases.

    In my opinion also Arch is usable on grandma desktop.
    True, it is a rolling release but I would suppose that on such machine there would not be that many packages installed and if the network is configured correclty (so nothing can connect from the outside) it would be not be a big problem, after all what grandma use is not updated on a daily basis.

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    Have a look at relationship subreddits. They are full of people who have been manipulated and gaslit for years or decades who have no idea what is actually normal. For people like that a reality check is really helpful or even vital.
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    “A.I.” can’t fund itself right now and it doesn’t seem to have gotten much better in the last year or so.
  • Apparently Debian has alienated the developers

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    Oh man, I'm a bit late to the party here. He really believes the far-right Trump propaganda, and doesn't understand what diversity programs do. It's not a war between white men an all the other groups of people... It's just that is has proven to be difficult to for example write a menstrual tracker with a 99.9% male developer base. It's just super difficult to them to judge how that's going to be used in real-world scenarios and what some specific challenges and nice features are. That's why you listen to minority opinions, to deliver a product that caters to all people. And these minority opinions are notoriously difficult to attract. That's why we do programs for that. They are task-forces to address things aside from what's mainstream and popular. It'll also benefit straight white men. Liteally everyone because it makes Linux into a product that does more than just whatever is popular as of today. Same thing applies to putting effort into screen readers and disabled people and whatever other minorities need. If he just wants what is majority, I'd recommend installing Windows to him. Because that's where we're headed with this. That's the popular choice, at least on the desktop. That's what you're supposed to use if you dislike niche. Also his hubris... Says Debian should be free from politics. And the very next sentence he talks his politics and wants to shove his Trump anti-DEI politics into Debian.... Yeah, sure dude.
  • Converting An E-Paper Photo Frame Into Weather Map

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    Looks like East Anglia has basically disappeared. At least nothing of value was lost
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    This is interesting to me as I like to say the llms are basically another abstraction of search. Initially it was links with no real weight that had to be gone through and then various algorithms weighted the return, then the results started giving a small blurb so one did not have to follow every link, and now your basically getting a report which should have references to the sources. I would like to see this looking at how folks engage with an llm. Basically my guess is if one treats the llm as a helper and collaborates to create the product that they will remember more than if they treat it as a servant and just instructs them to do it and takes the output as is.
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    I was so confused when I saw your comment until I reread my own. It really is top notch technology I guess!
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    You guys sure display a crazy obsession with "Apple Fanboys" in this sub… The amount of Applephobia… Phew! As if the new release had you all flustered or something… Gotta take a bite and taste the Apple at some point! Can’t stay in the closet forever, ya know?