Women’s ‘red flag’ app Tea is a privacy nightmare
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it seems its an app that helps women flag potential dating candidates as being dangerous or red flags.
there is the potential for doxxing that comes with that, but I can absolutely understand its use and need when not abused in that manner.
i wonder if there's the potential for a different app with more encryption and a way to prevent doxxing and abuse.
There's definitely a use case, but there's an inherent power imbalance to these products that makes sure they will always be misused. The submitters are anonymous, and it's up to the person being reported on to prove the accusations are false.
Or, they're supposed to be anonymous.
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it seems its an app that helps women flag potential dating candidates as being dangerous or red flags.
there is the potential for doxxing that comes with that, but I can absolutely understand its use and need when not abused in that manner.
i wonder if there's the potential for a different app with more encryption and a way to prevent doxxing and abuse.
How do you warn people about a potential dating candidate being dangerous without doxxing the potential dating candidate? "Hey, watch out for [anonymous person]" doesn't sound very useful.
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It's basically a slander app, from what I can tell.
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Fair point.
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How would you implement the app in its current concept, without the possibility for abuse? It seems inherent to the very idea of it.
Yeah, the entire point of the app is that you go there and talk about the bad things a person has done.
That seems pretty hard to identify them without posting their image without their consent and discussing private details of their life so others can identify them. It is creepy as hell, at a minimum.
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Change the target to any other group and the outrage would be 100-10000 fold bigger.
Try it out, instead of Women rating men, try subbing in various minority groups or races.
Bonus points for the most offensive combinations.....
e.g. Russians rating Ukrainians in your area....it can get pretty bad...I can think of many worse combos.
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Change the target to any other group and the outrage would be 100-10000 fold bigger.
Try it out, instead of Women rating men, try subbing in various minority groups or races.
Bonus points for the most offensive combinations.....
e.g. Russians rating Ukrainians in your area....it can get pretty bad...I can think of many worse combos.
Russians rating Ukrainians
Interesting analogy. You realize you have it backwards, right? Women are the Ukrainians on this scenario.
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Russians rating Ukrainians
Interesting analogy. You realize you have it backwards, right? Women are the Ukrainians on this scenario.
Agreed, but it is worse the way I put it...
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Tea was storing its users’ sensitive information on Firebase, a Google-owned backend cloud storage and computing service.
Every time. With startups, it's always an unsecured Firebase or S3 bucket.
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indeed. there's the potential for abuse and doxxing. but I think the app could be done in a safe way. and with much less leakery.
So, like the Chinese national merit system? That's super fair and nothing ever goes wrong.
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So, like the Chinese national merit system? That's super fair and nothing ever goes wrong.
the what? i am not familiar with that.
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How do you warn people about a potential dating candidate being dangerous without doxxing the potential dating candidate? "Hey, watch out for [anonymous person]" doesn't sound very useful.
...you know? that's a fair point. I'm not sure how it would work. but it would be nice to know some stuff if its important.
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How would you implement the app in its current concept, without the possibility for abuse? It seems inherent to the very idea of it.
off the top of my head, I don't know. i just feel the concept is intriguing and that the idea is a nice one.
just the abuse potential is far too high I suppose. but it would be nice to know if someone had stalked someone else, may have spoken or behaved in a violent manner, etc.
but I suppose at that point you might as well fingerprint and process any potential suitors lol.
the sentiment is great, however.
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Honestly it seems like a weapon that can too easily be used for defamation
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Change the target to any other group and the outrage would be 100-10000 fold bigger.
Try it out, instead of Women rating men, try subbing in various minority groups or races.
Bonus points for the most offensive combinations.....
e.g. Russians rating Ukrainians in your area....it can get pretty bad...I can think of many worse combos.
I think the key reason this was seen as not being terribly offensive was the fact that women are disproportionately more likely than men to be on the receiving end of tons of different negative consequences when dating, thus to a degree justifying them having more of a safe space where their comfort and safety is prioritized.
However I think a lot of people are also recognizing now that such an app has lots of downsides that come as a result of that kind of structure, like false allegations being given too much legitimacy, high amounts of sensitive data storage, negative interactions being blown out of proportion, etc. I also think that this is yet another signature case of "private market solution to systemic problem" that only kind of addresses the symptoms, but not the actual causes of these issues that are rooted more in our societal standards and expectations of the genders, upbringing, depictions in media, etc.
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the what? i am not familiar with that.
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off the top of my head, I don't know. i just feel the concept is intriguing and that the idea is a nice one.
just the abuse potential is far too high I suppose. but it would be nice to know if someone had stalked someone else, may have spoken or behaved in a violent manner, etc.
but I suppose at that point you might as well fingerprint and process any potential suitors lol.
the sentiment is great, however.
Yeah, it's one of those things that would be nice if it weren't for all those pesky malicious parties
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Change the target to any other group and the outrage would be 100-10000 fold bigger.
Try it out, instead of Women rating men, try subbing in various minority groups or races.
Bonus points for the most offensive combinations.....
e.g. Russians rating Ukrainians in your area....it can get pretty bad...I can think of many worse combos.
Might want to read up on the origins of Facebook before turning this into a gender wars thing.
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I think the key reason this was seen as not being terribly offensive was the fact that women are disproportionately more likely than men to be on the receiving end of tons of different negative consequences when dating, thus to a degree justifying them having more of a safe space where their comfort and safety is prioritized.
However I think a lot of people are also recognizing now that such an app has lots of downsides that come as a result of that kind of structure, like false allegations being given too much legitimacy, high amounts of sensitive data storage, negative interactions being blown out of proportion, etc. I also think that this is yet another signature case of "private market solution to systemic problem" that only kind of addresses the symptoms, but not the actual causes of these issues that are rooted more in our societal standards and expectations of the genders, upbringing, depictions in media, etc.
I was making the point, that despite the fact that this is mildly ok. The test for anything that gives one group power over another, is to switch the groups.
If it's still reasonable, than it is probably OK to keep it. If however it seems wrong after the switch, the bar to keep the power imbalance should be very high.
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Might want to read up on the origins of Facebook before turning this into a gender wars thing.
Nothing about gender wars here.
Just because Facebook is shit, doesn't make this any better.