Every study ever done on the subject has concluded that vehicle fires happen far less in electric vehicles than ICE ones. If you want to talk about responsibility we would ban them all.

100 fires that you can actually put out is better than 1 you can't.

I should try this stuff and then see which of those cars I can disable the tracking antennas

Brother if your life is dependent on someone coming to put out the fire, you're not gonna make it.

"Brother" putting words in people's mouth is literally definition of bad faith.

I was not speaking for terms of "life". Though life certainly is affected by the problems.

Lithium fires cause immensely more damage than ICE fires do. Hell just think of a benign situation like a car catch fire under a bridge. A BEV is more likely to structurally damage the bridge than an ICE fire would.

Lithium fires burn much hotter and spread much faster since it's self-oxidizing. I'll take an ICE fire any day since they will burn slower just by it's very nature. I will have more protection by sheer thermal mass in between me and the firey bit (the engine) than I do would with an EV where the battery is literally underneath the entire passenger cabin.

It's well known that BEV fires are much more destructive. The fact that they happen less often doesn't fix the fact that it ends up being a wash all around.

Edit: Eg, more often x less damage = less often x more damage

"Brother" putting words in people's mouth is literally definition of bad faith.

Good thing no one did that?

I was not speaking for terms of "life".

I mean that's pretty clearly the topic at hand, and the most important one.

Lithium fires cause immensely more damage than ICE fires do.

Damage to what? There ain't gonna be anything left of the car either way.

think of a benign situation like a car catch fire under a bridge

That's an extremely obscure and cherry-picked scenario to make your point.

I will have more protection by sheer thermal mass in between me and the firey bit

Thermal mass is not relevant. You don't die from metal contact, you die from smoke inhalation.

The fact that they happen less often doesn't fix the fact that it ends up being a wash all around.

It absolutely is not, and the mere insinuation otherwise leads me to believe you're just being disingenuous.

Good thing no one did that?

You did.

Damage to what? There ain’t gonna be anything left of the car either way.

Factually wrong. ICE cars are much much easier to put out. Often times ICE engine fires can put themselves out. And since they burn slower anyway, it's more likely you can escape the fire in of itself. Eg. if the fire occurs from a runway combustion in the chamber and the engine locks up starving the combustion chamber from oxygen.

That’s an extremely obscure and cherry-picked scenario to make your point.

Not really? There's a lot of bridges on the planet... There's lots of tunnels on the planet. There's lots of infrastructure that is a part of our roadways or are close enough to roadways to be affected. Tunnels are actually an even better problem to discuss. Heavy metal toxicity will stick around a lot longer and cause much more problems than an ICE engine that can actually be doused out 1/10th of the way through the burn.

Thermal mass is not relevant. You don’t die from metal contact, you die from smoke inhalation.

More things between you and the fire = more protection overall... period. And you want to talk about people being disingenuous?

And the people who knowingly put profits before lives would be individually serve time for manslaughter.

Call me a Luddite but I won't ride in a "self driving" car. I don't even trust lane assist although I've never had a car with that feature.

I think my sweet spot is 2014 for vehicles. It's about 50/50 with the tracking garbage and the "advanced features" on those models but anything past 2015 seems to be fully fly-by-wire and that doesn't sit right with me.

I'm old though and honestly if I bought a 2014 right now and babied it as my non commuter car I could probably keep it until I should give up my keys. You younger people are going to have to work around all this crap.

And Tesla would be fined and sued into oblivion.

That's easier said than done. You can't judge your own behavior when impaired because you are impaired. By the time you are aware you are that tired, you've already been impaired for a long time.