The bizarre, dismal page you see if you open YouTube without an account.
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Welcome to Youtube, person who has never been to Youtube before. Here's what we have to offer:
YouTube should have never sold out to Google. Such a shame
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Welcome to Youtube, person who has never been to Youtube before. Here's what we have to offer:
I'm not defending yt, but I am curious to know how specifically this isn't mostly an overreaction if possible
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Welcome to Youtube, person who has never been to Youtube before. Here's what we have to offer:
You guys are signing in?
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Each day I go to the YouTube app on Roku to my subscriptions tab and watch whatever is new. Then I go to Recommend and it's 90% or more previous videos from those same subscriptions and very little new creators it hasn't showed me.
After almost a year of this it figured out last week I might like AronRa, a person I'm very familiar with. And after countless videos on anthropology, evolution and paleontology he should have come up so much sooner.
So much for big data.But what is completely lacking is a "show me completely random stuff, old, new, not in my algorithm, short, long, completely against my algorithm, etc." it lacks almost any way to discover new stuff that isn't 100% related to content you already have.
YouTube gets more uploads than any one person can possibly watch and yet it's almost incapable of showing me something unless I explicitly tell it to find it for me.
Best we can do is some Jordan Peterson videos and something where trump appears to be yelling.
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Tried this on a private window, and yes, that's what it looks like. Thought I'd click on Shorts and let the first 3 seconds of the opening auto-play video play. Then back to the home page and wow, full of absolute trash.
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Yes, that's what I meant. The home screen will just continue to inform you that your history is off. You can only sign out or browse your subscriptions.
I see no problem with this, what with all the recommended slop
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Looks wonderful to me!
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Best we can do is some Jordan Peterson videos and something where trump appears to be yelling.
You watch one ContraPoints video about Jordan B Peterson and the next thing you know ... Still not any JBP video recommendations. So I guess there is an upside to the failure of big data.
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no ads
no algorithm
no preset slop machinea gentle reminder to use my own decisions in what to search and watch
true zen
No matter how frugal the surface, underneath it's all still there. Also something to remember when using Google search. the fact that it's all white and clean does not mean it's minimal.
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Yes, that's what I meant. The home screen will just continue to inform you that your history is off. You can only sign out or browse your subscriptions.
It's wonderful, I haven't had my YT history on in forever. Only use the subscription page which I have bookmarked.
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Tried this on a private window, and yes, that's what it looks like. Thought I'd click on Shorts and let the first 3 seconds of the opening auto-play video play. Then back to the home page and wow, full of absolute trash.
How am I not surprised? Shorts is video equivalent of cancer.
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Its not this simple, it looks like this to me on my fairly locked down browser (firefox), but on a fresh profile (image attached), that page is populated. I assume its a cookie setting, as I see the same behavior when I turn off tracking protection and ad blockers. I didn't play around beyond that.
I assume its a cookie setting, as I see the same behavior when I turn off tracking protection and ad blockers.
It goes way deeper than that. Fingerprinting is a whole thing. Your IP, combined with some characteristics about your browser, operating system and hardware... pretty unique.
Interesting to see what YT "thinks" about you.
I see 1995 twice there.
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It's wonderful, I haven't had my YT history on in forever. Only use the subscription page which I have bookmarked.
I still feel like they could make an effort to show whats popular in the region at that time. Instead we're being tunneled into bubbles and asked to watch the same stuff over and over.
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Yeah and you can get to the most popular short form stuff with one click but not long form. Its like. Well since we are trying to compete and take over this area here we will put some minimal effort forth.
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I assume its a cookie setting, as I see the same behavior when I turn off tracking protection and ad blockers.
It goes way deeper than that. Fingerprinting is a whole thing. Your IP, combined with some characteristics about your browser, operating system and hardware... pretty unique.
Interesting to see what YT "thinks" about you.
I see 1995 twice there.
Probably cookies, I did another quick test and created a new profile. The front page was unpopulated. I went to a technology connections video, and the refreshed the front page. It was populated, cleared stored information, (history, cookies, cache, etc...) and when I refreshed the homepage it was blank again.
The fairly default browser I used to take the screenshot is to watch some free with ads movies on youtube, most recently was waterworld, fun to watch, makes no sense.
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I see no problem with this, what with all the recommended slop
I don't know what you're talking about. I love my reccomended videos. I just watched a video about the reasons so many old subway stations use tile on the walls.
Spoiler alert, it's because in the early 19th century these stations were poorly lit, and white tile reflects light. So it made a small amount of light act as a bigger source of light. Plus it doesn't degrade and break down like paint or wood does over time.
Just one example of something that I would have never even wondered, but now I watched an interesting video explaining it. There was more to it than that, but I'm not going to go point by point of the video.
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You watch one ContraPoints video about Jordan B Peterson and the next thing you know ... Still not any JBP video recommendations. So I guess there is an upside to the failure of big data.
Signed in? There's your problem.
Start fresh - search for, I dunno, "bread recipes" and bang-zoom, your suggested next video is something about how wonderful fascism is.
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I don't know what you're talking about. I love my reccomended videos. I just watched a video about the reasons so many old subway stations use tile on the walls.
Spoiler alert, it's because in the early 19th century these stations were poorly lit, and white tile reflects light. So it made a small amount of light act as a bigger source of light. Plus it doesn't degrade and break down like paint or wood does over time.
Just one example of something that I would have never even wondered, but now I watched an interesting video explaining it. There was more to it than that, but I'm not going to go point by point of the video.
My recommended is decent but every now and then it'll try to throw some weird shit in there. Loves recommending me off-shoot Fox channels because I have the main one blocked. Seems like every few months it pops up. But yeah, I get a lot of MTB, Motocross, and OSRS stuff cause it's what I tend to watch. Some random car YouTubers (Rob Dahm ILY) and random video essays about interesting stuff.
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Welcome to Youtube, person who has never been to Youtube before. Here's what we have to offer:
This is always what my YouTube homepage looks like because I only access it in ghostery browser, using a ghost tab by default (like incognito/private/inprivate, but because ghostery, also blocks tracking, cookies, etc.)
I typically completely close the browser between links (it’s my default link handling browser for Lemmy), so it gets reset frequently enough to have nothing on home if I actually navigate there.
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Welcome to Youtube, person who has never been to Youtube before. Here's what we have to offer:
Ok but I'm pretty sure it's like this because if they make recommendations they go from being a social media company to a publisher, so they can't make recommendations not based on what things you watch through the algorithm. And if you don't have an account they aren't (at least officially) tracking what you watch to make recommendations.