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They'll just do an Apple and publish the source to the bits they have to while keeping the bits they don't closed source making the os as a whole closed source.
So, basically what they're already starting to do?
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Soooo, that means that android is fucked but custom roms should be able to continue from android 15, not?
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They'll just do an Apple and publish the source to the bits they have to while keeping the bits they don't closed source making the os as a whole closed source.
I don't understand.
also I thought Apple builds upon BSD style licensed stuff, while Android is on Linux which is gpl?
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I don't understand.
also I thought Apple builds upon BSD style licensed stuff, while Android is on Linux which is gpl?
Doesn't matter for a distribution, Apple historically also shipped some gpl tools like bash and Samba, they just provide the source for what they have to.
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That is probably a fraction of one percent of the pixel purchases.
Maybe but those 1% of buyers are multiplicators incentivizing others to buy the same phone.
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Soooo, that means that android is fucked but custom roms should be able to continue from android 15, not?
The more time goes by, the worse the divergence will be. (I think this is basically the idea, but correct me if I'm wrong:) Right now, we might have GrapheneOS 15 vs Android 16. But eventually, there will be an Android 17 and an Android 18. GrapheneOS developers will either have to trudge along with an older OS, or hire more developers to recreate the missing pieces of the code - pieces Google has already created but will never release . The missing pieces will get bigger and more significant. Android 15 will age out of security updates.
This is pretty bad.
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Maybe but those 1% of buyers are multiplicators incentivizing others to buy the same phone.
Yes, they incentivize another 0.001%. How is google going to survive this?
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Of course they are. They always did. The entire ecosystem is so closely tied to google services that it's almost impossible to use the phone without them (if you want to use banking and security apps). For now the only alternative is iOS and I'm starting to doubt if mobile Linux will ever become usable.
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Yes, they incentivize another 0.001%. How is google going to survive this?
Yes, they incentivize another 0.001%. How is google going to survive this?
Tech geeks acting as multiplication factors are the people who brought Apple from obscurity to mainstream.
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Yes, they incentivize another 0.001%. How is google going to survive this?
Tech geeks acting as multiplication factors are the people who brought Apple from obscurity to mainstream.
That was 40 years ago. Any more recent examples?
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Full AOSP compatibility for Pixel devices is a huge reason to buy a Pixel instead of a 3rd party OEM. They're shooting themselves in the foot.
Yep. Thanks to this, I'm moving to IOS with a x64 handheld. I won't need a smartphone beyond calls and tethering so, why bother. Google can enjoy the fruits of their labor.
Which? Rn, a Steam Deck, but soon, something smaller and more palmable, still fishing for something good. I'd even take something pi-based.
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Of course they are. They always did. The entire ecosystem is so closely tied to google services that it's almost impossible to use the phone without them (if you want to use banking and security apps). For now the only alternative is iOS and I'm starting to doubt if mobile Linux will ever become usable.
iOS isn't any better. I'm looking to OnePlus and maybe LineageOS. Hopefully GrapheneOS isn't dead.
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Yep. Thanks to this, I'm moving to IOS with a x64 handheld. I won't need a smartphone beyond calls and tethering so, why bother. Google can enjoy the fruits of their labor.
Which? Rn, a Steam Deck, but soon, something smaller and more palmable, still fishing for something good. I'd even take something pi-based.
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That was 40 years ago. Any more recent examples?
I don't agree with the other person but the closest example that I could find would be OnePlus. They had no physical shops, used word of mouth (influencers), had good marketing (flagship killer), and were relatively cheap. They quickly rose the ranks and became a mainstream brand.
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The more time goes by, the worse the divergence will be. (I think this is basically the idea, but correct me if I'm wrong:) Right now, we might have GrapheneOS 15 vs Android 16. But eventually, there will be an Android 17 and an Android 18. GrapheneOS developers will either have to trudge along with an older OS, or hire more developers to recreate the missing pieces of the code - pieces Google has already created but will never release . The missing pieces will get bigger and more significant. Android 15 will age out of security updates.
This is pretty bad.
How will Samsung/OnePlus use Android 17 and 18?
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iOS isn't any better. I'm looking to OnePlus and maybe LineageOS. Hopefully GrapheneOS isn't dead.
Lineage os and graphene os are both based on AOSP, no ? How to expect these projects to survive if AOSP becomes closed source ?
What worries me the most is the support for our phone. Constructor provides bad to average support for new android versions. Meanwhile, these projects can last for a long time. I have a one plus 7 pro and it is running on YAAP, receives OTA security updates every month and all the major versions of Android. Killing AOSP will lead to killing long term support of our phone.
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Lineage os and graphene os are both based on AOSP, no ? How to expect these projects to survive if AOSP becomes closed source ?
What worries me the most is the support for our phone. Constructor provides bad to average support for new android versions. Meanwhile, these projects can last for a long time. I have a one plus 7 pro and it is running on YAAP, receives OTA security updates every month and all the major versions of Android. Killing AOSP will lead to killing long term support of our phone.
Where, exactly, do you think the source code will go for aosp? It'll just get forked. See ZFS and openzfs, or Solaris, and illumos.
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I don't understand.
also I thought Apple builds upon BSD style licensed stuff, while Android is on Linux which is gpl?
This myth needs to die. The only parts of BSD that Apple used for iOS/osx, were from bsd4.4 (released in like the 1990s). And even then it was only parts of the user space.
The kernel is a completely different beast.
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How will Samsung/OnePlus use Android 17 and 18?
Those companies have always developed some of their own, "hardware-specific" software and never released the results to the public either.
(Correct me if I'm wrong here, but that's probably why pixels of the past have had really good ROMs, while phones from other companies are lucky to get LineageOS on them.)
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Those companies have always developed some of their own, "hardware-specific" software and never released the results to the public either.
(Correct me if I'm wrong here, but that's probably why pixels of the past have had really good ROMs, while phones from other companies are lucky to get LineageOS on them.)
That's not what I meant. Will the other OEMs have to pay Google for using Android 17 (since it's not open-source anymore) ?
