If you're work commuting with an EV and charging at home. What's the hit to your electric bill?

Because that's one of a few bottlenecks. $10 every few days for some gas is a lot easier on people than a blanket X hundreds of dollars higher light bill.

Being poor is expensive.

I would argue that even if you did get a used one with new batteries, you'd still face degradation down the line and additional problems that would or could be mitigated in older ice cars which are much more likely to have replacement parts available (even if those replacement parts don't come from the same type or brand of vehicle). For instance. I know for a fact that there's a trend of using Honda engines in older first Gen mini coopers. Buying a rebuilt engine has the potential to be pretty cheap.

If you're work commuting with an EV and charging at home. What's the hit to your electric bill?

Because that's one of a few bottlenecks. $10 every few days for some gas is a lot easier on people than a blanket X hundreds of dollars higher light bill.

Being poor is expensive.

I live in a mid-sized Canadian city, with a population of just under 400k with what is considered a pretty good bus-based transit system, with roughly 60 routes. Even way out in the boonies you can catch a bus. You can get from pretty nearly any point A to any point B on the bus.

And yet I and those who can afford to do so generally avoid the bus. Our streets are still filled with cars during rush hour (which, as someone who has 100% WFM for the last 15 years I’m happy to say I’m not contributing to). Reasons?

1. If your origin and destination aren’t on the same route, you’re going to need to transfer. Possibly multiple times. And wait for those transfers.
2. Buses are sometimes either late, or too full and don’t stop. Which means if you rely on taking the bus to get to work, you had better be up quite early to ensure you get to your destination on time.
3. Bus people. Creepy old guys hitting on young (or even old) girls and women. People who haven’t showered in a while sitting next to you. The people who think their bag is too important and needs a seat. We bought my wife a car the week after some racist tried to attack her.

You know what doesn’t have any of those problems? My car. I can crank my music up if I want to. I get to pick who is in my car. I don’t have to get up extra early to make sure I get to my destination on time because the bus might be late, full, or because I have to make multiple transfers (at each point of which the bus could be late or full…).

I’m glad we have the bus system we have for those people who need it. I know we have people in our city who don’t have the privilege of owning a vehicle of their own — and for some people whose needs are simple the bus can likely work just fine. I’m glad we have that system for the people who don’t otherwise have a choice — but for everyone who has that choice, the choice is typically being in their own private vehicle where they can sing loudly, eat and drink whatever they like, control who rides with them, and go wherever they want to — heck, I can even change my mind about my destination mid-drive and go wherever I want to without having to switch cars.

I’ll admit, having taken transit in bigger cities (Toronto, Montreal, Istanbul) being able to take a train (subway, LRT, surface rail, streetcars etc.) can be pretty great. I think bigger cities need this kind of transit — even with its many, many problems it can beat out taking a car to a downtown core. But even when I lived in some of these cities I still had a car. But the size of my current home city just isn’t big enough to accommodate that level of transit. The cost would just be too horrendous.

Can everyone do better? Sure. But I don’t think such improvements are going to significantly encourage more people to take transit over their own vehicles.

I have one of those Bolts.

Not only was the battery replaced, the 8 year warranty on it was reset. Also, the idea that EV batteries die after a couple of years like in phones was unfounded. The batteries in EVs are actually properly temperature regulated unlike the ones in mobile phones. The primary degradation in an EV battery happens when the battery is new and stays basically flat for the rest of its life.

EVs have been on the road long enough for studies to determine that most batteries will last at least as long as most people will own the car.

After a couple of years? No. But 25 years isn't an unreasonable amount of time to want to own a vehicle if you take care of it. We treat vehicles these days like they're disposable and honestly I don't think a 25 year old battery pack is going to be particularly desirable.

Because they keep buying shit they don't need and hording it in the garage, while their car sits outside in the driveway exposed to the elements.

Hyperinflation and incoming recession aside, Americans have been using their garages for junk storage for many decades.

What about transit? Why do Americans always have to drive. We need real alternatives to cars.

You can get electric for only a slightly higher cost than gas, just not the "premium" ones. As for Spyware, that's any modern car. It has nothing to do with being electric.

How about talking to the landlords who refuse to install EV chargers? Or maybe talk to manufacturers who won't sell a basic EV that isn't overpriced?

This is just "Am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong!" again.

There can be multiple factors.

People with garages big enough for a nice car that also have it stuffed with things probally have money too. Right?

The real problem is having to go to Florida so regularly. I feel for ya.

with the used EV tax credit there are good options at ~20k.

edit: why downvotes? the used EV market is bigger every year and if the price is under $25k you get a ~$4k credit.

Have you seen America? It's huge.

There's also way more to America than the metropolitan cities you've been conditioned to prioritize.

People with garages big enough for a nice car

What the fuck? I can tell you don't have a garage, because for 99% of them size isn't going to impact the 'niceness' of the car you can have in it.

Challenge: People who lived in major cities understanding that there's more to life than what goes on in them.

Level: Impossible.