I doubt it's possible to have them all installed and have a functioning system anyway

Speaking of debian - anyone here running debian testing as a daily driver? I really enjoy debian as a kind of "default" Linux but the rare updates and the need to upgrade the whole system when a major update hits annoys me, so rolling release feels better, but I'm worried Debian Testing is unstable? But I've heard it's not so bad? Anyone got any opinion on that?

I find it a surprisingly low value. I can store all the current debian packages in my storage media at home, that's crazy! FOSS really tends to be lean and efficient.

Trixie from Toy Story.
Debian's releases are always toy story characters

Yeah I think so. I switched from GNOME to KDE a while back, so haven't tried it recently. It worked great last time I tried it though, and it works well in KDE too.

Sounds interesting. Care to elaborate?

Debian Testing is unstable?

Naw, Debian Unstable is unstable. /s

Jokes aside, I don't think I'd use Debian as a daily driver for desktop Linux, and I really like Debian. Now, for a server? Debian all day erry day. But as soon as a GUI is needed, I'm gonna look to another distro. For context though, that's mainly because my daily driver needs to be gaming capable, and I have a very recent GPU. Debian 13 has Mesa 25.0, but 25.1 and 25.2 have fixes that keep some of the games I play from crapping out.

Much love for Debian, favorite distro for servers. Any thoughts on running it as a desktop GUI?

I've been running unstable for a couple decades now as my desktop. I've occasionally taken months-long forays into other distros, but always come back to Debian. It just works, which is what I care about.

I have many times. apt install whatever desktop environment you want is usually a one-liner, and they are the un-modified stock versions, not themed to whatever fancies the distro maintainer. It has been my low-effort distro for a lot of years for any purpose. Packages are on the stale-side, so you might want to use different package container types for your preferred applications nowadays.

Yeah, since 2000 I've always had a laptop with -testing. I'm just a user, but a user who wholly enjoyed the early days of Gentoo, overnight compiles and all.

I still fly on Windows. MSFS and IL Stormvik used to be my favorites, x-plane works on Linux just fine now. For the past 5 years I've been all Elite: Dangerous. E:D works with some fiddling under Linux but the helper programs are probably a real PITA. No drivers for the eye tracker at all (not Linux devs fault)

Understand, I don't edit images and if the doc doesn't work in libre I fire up a virtual machine and do the little dance to get the form or whatever filled out and then back to the real world. VM only connects to the internet for updates, never comms.

All of my important stuff happens on Linux or now Calyx on my pixel. Fuck MS, fuck apple and fuuuuuuck Larry Ellison for what he did to Sun

It's great. Not much else to say. You install it, it works, it doesn't stop working unless you break it. I run Debian 12 on my laptop.

i don’t know the full nature of the exploit, but zlib has an exploitable integer overflow via the MiniZip project. even though our images don’t use that project.

Please release 1.3.1 to fix CVE-2023-45853 (9.8 CRITICAL) · Issue #868 · madler/zlib

@madler It looks like the fix is already in develop: See #843 and 73331a6 We only new a new release :) See also: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2023-45853

GitHub (github.com)

Yeah, if you really want a taste of Debian desktop, LMDE is probably where I'd start.

I used to, and the going wisdom there is to point it to the name of the next release, then once it releases, wait for the first point release before repeating with the next release.

The reasoning here is that once there's a new release, there's a ton of churn on testing as people pull in packages from unstable, so that's the time of the most breakage. So wait a bit for things to stabilize after a major release.

I was thinking of a Trixie from Hasbro

MrBeast should try this

Don't knock it 'til you try it!

sudo apt install * -y

Yep, been driving it for like 2 years on my study laptops. Only ever ran into a single issue that made the laptop unusable which was Tailscale DNS conflicting with the system's DNS (been a while so don't remember the exact details).

If you don't need the latest stuff, aren't doing anything needing the latest drivers and don't really mess around with the shipped packages, it's excellent for just working and being reliable.

Ahhhhh, ok.

Wild… I think I might try to get my OS that big one day just for kicks