Google hit with $314m fine for collecting data from idle Android phones without permission
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Don’t we ban Chinese phones for the same actions?
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laughs in GrapheneOS
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A pi in the face
So small it’s almost imaginary
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Google made 100 billion last year.
300 million is barely a blip.
The fine should have been 30 billion.
if the fines arent big enough to seriously hurt a company, Then the fines are not big enough to change their behavior.
They just become a tax on evil.
If you earn like 100k a year its like being slapped with a 300 $ fine just to put it into perspective.
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(Also not change anything besides maybe make a terms upade.)
The horror!!
They'll likely appeal.
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Google made 100 billion last year.
300 million is barely a blip.
The fine should have been 30 billion.
if the fines arent big enough to seriously hurt a company, Then the fines are not big enough to change their behavior.
They just become a tax on evil.
Base it not off the entire company, base it off the value of doing this. They didnt make 100 billion off unapproved android user data collection.
This argument is common and while fines should be higher, the idea that they dont matter unless they are 10% of earnings is ridiculous.
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They're impaling
Vladislav?
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The linked Reuters article provides a bit more context:
The jury agreed with the plaintiffs that Alphabet's Google (GOOGL.O), was liable for sending and receiving information from the devices without permission while they were idle, causing what the lawsuit had called "mandatory and unavoidable burdens shouldered by Android device users for Google's benefit."
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Google spokesperson Jose Castaneda said in a statement that the company would appeal, and that the verdict "misunderstands services that are critical to the security, performance, and reliability of Android devices."
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Base it not off the entire company, base it off the value of doing this. They didnt make 100 billion off unapproved android user data collection.
This argument is common and while fines should be higher, the idea that they dont matter unless they are 10% of earnings is ridiculous.
Because all the "slap on the wrist" fines have worked so well to modify corporate rapism...
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Don’t we ban Chinese phones for the same actions?
China bad.
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So when are we all finally going to ditch Google/Apple and move on to actual FOSS phones like Librem5 or Fairphone?
Which one allows me to actually control my phone and reject all the updates?
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If you earn like 100k a year its like being slapped with a 300 $ fine just to put it into perspective.
100k AFTER all your expenses.
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Because all the "slap on the wrist" fines have worked so well to modify corporate rapism...
/sYeah I'd agree that there is a lack of enforcement in some aspects but moreso a lack of regulation and legislation in others.
There needs to be a better commitment to addressing trends in capitalism than reacting to their overstepping.
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They'll likely appeal.
True, the economy is saved!!
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Alt text: a screenshot from final fantasy tactics with a character saying: “If the penalty for a crime is a fine, then that law only
exists for the lower class.”That's actually shopped. The game's writer said he wishes he wrote that line, though.
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Yeah I'd agree that there is a lack of enforcement in some aspects but moreso a lack of regulation and legislation in others.
There needs to be a better commitment to addressing trends in capitalism than reacting to their overstepping.
I'm 70 years old and that still hasn't happened.
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Assuming the fine isn't progressive, of course.
Over here in Finland fines for any but the minor offences are defined in percents of income, not in fixed sums of money. There have been cases of traffic fines of several hundreds of thousands for going 30 km/h over the speed limit. That makes them a punishment for very richest people as well, not only for the lower class.
Except capital income can be hidden in other countries, still giving an unfair advantage to the super rich.
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True, the economy is saved!!
They already argued once in court that this was detailed in the TOS. Dunno if the appeal will do anything, but Google isn't exactly hurting for the money.
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Google in 2024: Net profit: $100 billion
The government: "here is a tiny fine that you can't even see in a microscope."
I agree, but one thing that people always miss with these kinds of rulings is that they generally come with increased oversight and greater fines for repeat offenses. They're more likely to be caught if they try it again, and it'll grow until it actually hurts.
Still, this should be a lot larger. They should be trying to dissuade first-time offenses as well, not letting them take advantage of the system for profit because it won't hurt much when they're found out.
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The linked Reuters article provides a bit more context:
The jury agreed with the plaintiffs that Alphabet's Google (GOOGL.O), was liable for sending and receiving information from the devices without permission while they were idle, causing what the lawsuit had called "mandatory and unavoidable burdens shouldered by Android device users for Google's benefit."
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Google spokesperson Jose Castaneda said in a statement that the company would appeal, and that the verdict "misunderstands services that are critical to the security, performance, and reliability of Android devices."
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the verdict "misunderstands services that are critical to the security, performance, and reliability of Android devices."
Ummmm maybe I’m misunderstanding but how on earth is opening a new tab critical to security and performance?
