Tesla's European car sales nosedive for fifth month as customers switch to Chinese EVs
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I used to like and look up to SpaceX for the interesting stuff that they build,
but nowadays i don't care anymore. The company can fail for all i care. Musk spoiled it.
The tipping point, for me personally, was when Musk seriously threatened to slash public spending in February this year. It shows a clear disrespect to the people, and frankly, a sociopathic attitude.
Musk had everything, lots of money, lots of fame, lots of influence, but he threw it all away when he decided to threaten the wellbeing and lifelyhood of a lot of people just so that rich assholes can make an extra buck through tax cuts.
He's basically gutting NASA so it can be reduced to a taxpayer-funded corporate subsidy for greedy billionaires and giant corps. They're killing everyone's dreams and inspiration.
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but saying that a Chinese company isn't "under the control of Xi Jinping", the guy who crushed Hong Kong for having too much independence and wants to do the same with Taiwan, is laughable.
Just take that sentence at face value and consider the ridiculousness of actually believing the guy alone has that amount of crushing power.
You're just regurgitating unfounded US propaganda which, this being Lemmy, is very unfortunate to see.
"Unfounded US propaganda".
Are you saying China DIDN'T aggressively take over Hong Kong and all of the businesses that operated there?
Xi is the head of the government in a totalitarian, communist regime. Just because he might be "leaving BYD alone" or whatever today does not mean that couldn't change in an instant.
The United States is its own form of screwed up and is an absolute mess. I'm not sitting over here going 'US good. China bad". I'm making the point they're both bad in different ways.
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That's actually a bit of a myth you know. Labour in China used to be dirt cheap 30 years ago but that's not the case now. You need experts to build cars and they demand an appropriate salary. They probably don't get paid as much as they would in the west but they're not being paid pennies an hour either. However the idea that China is cheap has persisted.
There's a reason that Apple doesn't make the iPhone there anymore. It was getting too expensive ie they were being asked to pay for a decent wage, and they weren't prepared to.
I was more saying cheap "when companies moved in". Now it just has the workforce and supply chain knowledge/infrastructure because of those investments.
Corporate fucktard assholes are running out of cheap labor around the world. They keep moving it around, but eventually there won't be any place to go.
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They have terrible customer service in the US too. I think it's their business model: find people who enjoy being treated like an asshole and sell them overpriced shit.
So like Apple but more expensive
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Did not zee this happening.
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Bio gas and diesel are also renewable.
If you are a moron, ya, it is.
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"Unfounded US propaganda".
Are you saying China DIDN'T aggressively take over Hong Kong and all of the businesses that operated there?
Xi is the head of the government in a totalitarian, communist regime. Just because he might be "leaving BYD alone" or whatever today does not mean that couldn't change in an instant.
The United States is its own form of screwed up and is an absolute mess. I'm not sitting over here going 'US good. China bad". I'm making the point they're both bad in different ways.
Are you saying China DIDN'T aggressively take over Hong Kong and all of the businesses that operated there?
Uh, i kinda am, yeah.
Last time I checked, Hong Kong is still a tax haven in the middle of Asia. Western companies are still opening offshore subsidiaries and bank accounts there to engage in tax evasion, and the welfare system is still as pitiful as it was before China took over.
Retirees living in literal cages or under bridges is still common, and the same 3-4 families that ran Hong Kong's banking, industry and real estate are still in control like they've always been.
China took control of Hong Kong on paper only. By any economic metrics, everything stayed the same.
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This is one of the reason that the USA being heavy handed with Chinese is going to bite us in the ass. While in the USA, we bury our heads in the sand and GM, Tesla and etc. all crank out $95,000 giant trucks/SUVs, some companies in China are making very, very affordable vehicles. These aren't necessarily garbage either -- there's models available for almost any price point.
What WOULD be really smart and forward thinking is if in the USA, the domestic brands also make some affordable models to get EV more popular. However, they are addicted to fat profit margins, and thanks to all the protectionism, they don't need to worry about offshore models being "better".
While other nations either develop and/or import affordable EVs, we're effectively banning them. This is all going to end up with a giant wake up call for American auto-manufacturers when the protections/tariffs are ultimately lifted and they HAVE to compete.
I think it would be great if the tariffs came with huge incentives for domestic manufacturers and motivated them to be competitive. Instead, it's just letting them segment the market for a few years and make a killing. Who loses? The people...
It was just like what happened to the American auto industry before. Instead of listening to the market, we tell the market what they should buy.
We are losing our edge. People don't want expensive cars. They want affordable, reliable cars. It was just like earlier Japanese cars. Japan is losing their edge too.
Honda is too unreliable. I won't buy Honda again.
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This is one of the reason that the USA being heavy handed with Chinese is going to bite us in the ass. While in the USA, we bury our heads in the sand and GM, Tesla and etc. all crank out $95,000 giant trucks/SUVs, some companies in China are making very, very affordable vehicles. These aren't necessarily garbage either -- there's models available for almost any price point.
What WOULD be really smart and forward thinking is if in the USA, the domestic brands also make some affordable models to get EV more popular. However, they are addicted to fat profit margins, and thanks to all the protectionism, they don't need to worry about offshore models being "better".
While other nations either develop and/or import affordable EVs, we're effectively banning them. This is all going to end up with a giant wake up call for American auto-manufacturers when the protections/tariffs are ultimately lifted and they HAVE to compete.
I think it would be great if the tariffs came with huge incentives for domestic manufacturers and motivated them to be competitive. Instead, it's just letting them segment the market for a few years and make a killing. Who loses? The people...
Not just people, the economy will end up paying the price.
Tariffs have horrible second order effects.
Every companies outputs is some other companies inputs.
American companies end up locked out of more affordable vehicles as inputs. That cost then gets baked into its output, which is some other company’s input. Then just keep following that chain.
The best broad blanket tariffs can hope to do is trade long term competitiveness for some short term price increase.
Americans will wonder why other nations eat our lunch in the coming decades. Well that foreign company could buy the cheaper machine to produce the widget, their raw materials cost less to deliver because the transit company that ships it in charges a better rate because they have lower vehicle overhead. Since they have 2 dozen suppliers for their components both foreign and domestic they are forced to compete on quality and price.
American companies will become even more bloated and inefficient
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This is one of the reason that the USA being heavy handed with Chinese is going to bite us in the ass. While in the USA, we bury our heads in the sand and GM, Tesla and etc. all crank out $95,000 giant trucks/SUVs, some companies in China are making very, very affordable vehicles. These aren't necessarily garbage either -- there's models available for almost any price point.
What WOULD be really smart and forward thinking is if in the USA, the domestic brands also make some affordable models to get EV more popular. However, they are addicted to fat profit margins, and thanks to all the protectionism, they don't need to worry about offshore models being "better".
While other nations either develop and/or import affordable EVs, we're effectively banning them. This is all going to end up with a giant wake up call for American auto-manufacturers when the protections/tariffs are ultimately lifted and they HAVE to compete.
I think it would be great if the tariffs came with huge incentives for domestic manufacturers and motivated them to be competitive. Instead, it's just letting them segment the market for a few years and make a killing. Who loses? The people...
These cars are passing EU safety tests which are generally more demanding than the USA.
They are definitely getting good, fast.
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So, no wars, got it. Just overtaking the US through soft power and economic prowess, lmao.
So, no wars, got it.
finally. it took you some time, but better late than never. you are the only one talking about wars as if it means something.
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I live neither in china or the usa, but I don't want myself be recorded by either of their appliances that I use. and that naturally also extends to my neighbors and wherever I go.
its quite interesting how many people suddenly started to love mass surveillance
You can minimize surveillance, but right now it's impossible to avoid it completely. The next best thing is is keeping whatever you can private, and what you can't, try to have it sent to someone irrelevant, like in my case are the Chinese.
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I don't know that they're out to make money though. A lot of the Chinese manufacturers are now struggling due to the price war they instigated themselves. Huge production surplus but they pushed down the price so much they hardly make any money
Competition is fierce, but they are not exactly struggling due to government subsidies/incentives. These are so extreme that Chinese manufacturers are over producing and dumping "used" EVs with zero mileage for export.
Similar to US agricultural dumping, this is a terrible policy for everyone, except for the beneficiaries of the subsidies, and maybe the overseas consumers who get cheap EVs in the short term.
China's Zero-Mile 'Used' EVs Are Flooding Global Markets - https://insideevs.com/news/763687/china-zero-mile-used-evs/
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If you are a moron, ya, it is.
With average EU energy mix total carbon footprint of a biogas car is still only 3/4 of an equivalent electric vehicle after 10 years of use.
Additional weight of the vehicle and the costly battery production matters.
With average US east coast energy mix the EVs carbon footprint would be double that of a biogas car after 10 years of use.
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it’s not exclusively Russia to blame
of course. the poor russia was forced to attack the neigbouring country. fuck off, troll.
there is no such thing as "sphere of influence" you are entitled to. your country end at your borders.
That guy is a fool man, I gave him enough time.
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We as in Europeans, which I assume most of the user base here to be, unlike Reddit. Sorry if my assumption bothers you.
I don't get the abused spouse like logic, where because you get out of one bad relationship, you'd need to start a new one?
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I don't get the abused spouse like logic, where because you get out of one bad relationship, you'd need to start a new one?
China is a bad relationship? I've got some bad news for you but 90% of what you own is made in China.
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With average EU energy mix total carbon footprint of a biogas car is still only 3/4 of an equivalent electric vehicle after 10 years of use.
Additional weight of the vehicle and the costly battery production matters.
With average US east coast energy mix the EVs carbon footprint would be double that of a biogas car after 10 years of use.
You are a mouthpiece, I'm going to assume everything you say is a lie or grossly misrepresented. Post your sources, bootlicker.
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China is a bad relationship? I've got some bad news for you but 90% of what you own is made in China.
China is a bad relationship?
It's an exploitative autoritarian regime, institutionalising severe human rights abuses (1).
I've got some bad news for you but 90% of what you own is made in China.
That's not news. It's not because an abuser buys you gifts, that there's no abuse going on?
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Just give Elon more of some new drug. /s
Laced with fentanyl.
