I genuinely feel like I'm talking to a wall here.

Because pretty much nobody wants it or likes it.

That's just not true, chatgpt & co are hugely popular, which is a big part of the issue.

Nazism was hugely popular in Germany in the early 20th century, but was it a good thing?

Oh I agree money talks in the US justice system, but as the page shows, these laws also exist elsewhere, such as in the EU. And even if I or you don't agree with them, they are still the case law that determines the legality of these things. For me that aligns with my ethical stance as well, but probably not yours.

A new law could soon allow AI companies to use copyrighted material without permission.

Good. Copyright and patent laws need to die.

All the money wasted enforcing them and taken from customers could be better spent on other things.

Creators will still create, as they always have. We just won't have millionaire scumbags such as 'paul mccartney' living like kings while children starve.

Analogies are fallacies. All they do is reveal that you can't argue the merits of the topic at hand, so you need to derail and distract by pivoting to something else.

Now we need to debate the accuracy of your analogy, which is never 1:1, instead of talking about what we were talking about previously.

You're also arguing with the wrong person. You should be talking to the person who argued "AI is a negative because pretty much nobody likes it" instead of the person who says it's not true that "nobody likes it."

You're literally only looking for an angle to shit on AI so you can fit in with the average idiots.

AI discussion at this point are litmus tests for who is average that lets other average people do their thinking for them. It really puts into perspective how much popular opinion should be scrutinized.

Lol says the guy that's probably going to pirate GTA 6.

And how do you propose people you claim will continue to create be compensated for their work when one of those much bigger corporations you seem to hate simply steal their work and profit off of it?

This is 100% correct. You can downvote this person all you want but their not wrong!

A painter doesn't own anything to the estate of Rembrandt because they took inspiration from his paintings.

All our fault for not having strong citizen watchdogs

We're all too busy playing fortnite and watching marvel movies.

Things like rent won't be so expensive because landlords will have less of an excuse to charge customers more money. So, in essence you're not even arguing for compensating creators for their work; you're arguing for compensating their feudal lords.

when one of those much bigger corporations you seem to hate simply steal their work and profit off of it?

Corporations will also make less money because there are no copyright and patent laws. Your cognitive dissonance is on full display here.

This is how we put more money in the hands of the working class. It''s sad watching you fight tooth and nail against it just as you've been conditioned to do.

Lol everything you create will now be stolen by Disney who will own the only organizations that can reach an audience.

Thanks for giving them free money forever just so you can spite people with actual talent.

So if you take away all the copywrited training data then it makes the same images?

How is disney going to make its money without copyright and patent laws?

How will their movies sell if it's legal for anyone to copy and redistribute them?

How will they make as much money off of merchandise if they have to legally compete with people who don't hold copyrights to their IP?

The only "Lol" here is how proud you people are for being useful idiots. This is why things are the way they are.

You're moving the goal posts and making assumptions.

Please address my question how do you propose any intellectual entity be compensated to their creator without any kind of theft protection?

Also leave you naive childish and idiotic anti-whatever proselytizing for you racist uncle over thanksgiving dinner.

No. And that's the point...

I'm not moving any goalposts nor am I making any assumptions. You are upset because rather than learn from your cognitive dissonance, you attack the person who calls it out.

Also leave you naive childish and idiotic anti-whatever proselytizing for you racist uncle over thanksgiving dinner.

Hey, you're the one who's arguing to exacerbate the disparity in wealth. Not me.

You do realize the root of this thread was this question, right?

why do you say AI is a universally regarded negative?

In the early 20th century, Nazism was not a universally regarded negative.

I think you're mistaken -- there are a large number of people who vehemently dislike it, why is probably why you think that.

That's because you don't understand what copyright legally is.