I've never had one of those actually work...

3.5mm Jack or - sadly - GTFO

Fuck these guys... Seriously. I bought a phone off of them hyped at the idea of the ethics. It didn't work on arrival. Over 3 months later and not one single reply to my helpdesk request (other than the Automated acknowledgement of receipt).

Unbelievably bad user experience, I went from hyped at the concept of reducing my production of electronic waste to beyond disappointed at a brutally bad user experience.

Then to make matters worse, it is difficult to source spare parts for the fairphone 4 (according to a friend of mine who owns one that he bought a while ago)... Like is that not the entire point of the phone, reduced consumption of new phones by supporting repairs. If you're going to stop producing the spares at least release the patents then.. if you really believe in the promoted ideals that you spout... Which they clearly do not.

It turns out that it's just another money hungry company hell bent on burning the planet down to see a line go up, as far as I'm concerned. All gaff to sell shite phones at higher prices.

Do not buy.

Interesting that they seem to be using a consumer grade Snapdragon chip this time, typically they used weird chips ment for industry applications if I'm not mistaken. Wonder what sparked the change, did Qualcomm start supporting their chips for longer?

People don’t want to pay for privacy. That’s the real problem with end users. Imagine if more people did so. What a world we could have. Nah. Let’s be cheap AF!

Pixel is build by Foxxcon. Foxxcon has 3.5 stars on Glassdoor.
From what I found Fairphone is build by TCL which has 3.2 stars on Glassdoor.

It's all still made in Asia. It's really hard to monitor conditions there and it's pretty much impossible to monitor conditions at every step of the supply chain. I understand paying extra for a more sustainable phone (repairable, longer support) but paying double for a vague promise of being more "fair"? Thanks by no thanks. Pixel has 8 years of support now so the difference in sustainability is minimal.

This is nice for Europe I guess, and I want to like the fairphone, but unfortunately it's not viable for me.

Besides basic phone features and the ability to run Android apps I have 3 requirements, 2 of which the fairphone fails at. I need it to be usable in the US on my phone carrier. I need to be able to use Google Pay or another mobile payment alternative (that's accepted in most stores). Finally it needs to have at least a 48 hour battery life.

Fairphone unfortunately doesn't work in the US with most carriers, and the one that kills not only it but all the de-googled phones, it doesn't support mobile payment of any kind. I've done a ton of research trying to find some kind of fix for that second point because I'd gladly use something like GrapheneOS if I could, but every time the answer I come to is it's just not possible.

That too has to to with the fact that all of that is an impenetrable black box. Google gets access, but if your oso isn't Google, amor is rooted, they won't allow you access "for security"

Never mind that the banking web version works fine in any OS including Linux, no safety issues there (nor should there be any) but the app? Yeah, Google only and it's all because of security. Uh huh...

I saw list item 1 more as "I want my phone to last for 5+ years, so I will want to replace my battery eventually", rather than "I wanna wreck my battery fast, so it better be replaceable". Being wasteful with your battery like that goes against the spirit of Fairphone, IMO.

There's a deGoogled version too!!

I would prefer GrapheneOS (If I can live with the irony of getting a Pixel phone just to deGoogle it...). Sandboxing there is way better. But you lose the Repairability.. Gotta check and compare the new EU metrics too.

They are just two different devices.

You can shoot RAW on your phone today.

Surely, that impacts the battery longevity, right? Personally, I disable all fast-charging features and charge my phone overnight.

P.S. Sorry for calling you Shirley.

I know I know, but it was really convenient to keep a spare battery and do a quick swap on the fp4.

Yep... everyone wants phablets. Apparently.

I don't mind the cutouts (if done right), they just sit in the notification bar, so they never obscure anything anyway. That's a place Sony could have shaved off the extra height imo, the top and bottom bezels are pretty unnecessary.

We are slowly moving to under-screen cameras now though.

I disagree about this being a good solution. USB-C is not meant to take the strain of being used as an audio port when being used in the go so there is risk of damaging the port while a headphone jack is more stable and allows the plug to rotate. Plus I don't want to have a dingle I can forget when in a rush.

This is nice for Europe I guess, and I want to like the fairphone, but unfortunately it's not viable for me.

Besides basic phone features and the ability to run Android apps I have 3 requirements, 2 of which the fairphone fails at. I need it to be usable in the US on my phone carrier. I need to be able to use Google Pay or another mobile payment alternative (that's accepted in most stores). Finally it needs to have at least a 48 hour battery life.

Fairphone unfortunately doesn't work in the US with most carriers, and the one that kills not only it but all the de-googled phones, it doesn't support mobile payment of any kind. I've done a ton of research trying to find some kind of fix for that second point because I'd gladly use something like GrapheneOS if I could, but every time the answer I come to is it's just not possible.

I had a phone without before, that one came with a simple cheap passive adapter for USB-C to 3.5mm headset. You lose out on using headphones while charging, but other than that I was never really inconvenienced...