Is Reddit in/directly attacking lemmy instances with controversial AI posts to overpower mods and reduce user experience?
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With instances falling, are they being attacked with AI slop to overpower the admins/mods and to start class wars on the instances to lower the user experience?
If so, who would benefit from doing so? Who would have the financial strength to be able to do such a thing? How can they be stopped?
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With instances falling, are they being attacked with AI slop to overpower the admins/mods and to start class wars on the instances to lower the user experience?
If so, who would benefit from doing so? Who would have the financial strength to be able to do such a thing? How can they be stopped?
I think you vastly overestimate the cost of doing such a thing, a lot of nerds could afford to inundate us with AI slop, not just reddit.
At the same time, I think you're also vastly underestimating the amount of complete jerkoffs on the internet and how much spare time they have to be jerkoffs.
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With instances falling, are they being attacked with AI slop to overpower the admins/mods and to start class wars on the instances to lower the user experience?
If so, who would benefit from doing so? Who would have the financial strength to be able to do such a thing? How can they be stopped?
What AI slop? There is a surprising lack of spam on Lemmy, if somebody wanted to attack it you'd see a spamwave with hundreds of posts per minute. It happened once when we got spammed by a chinese group but never again.
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With instances falling, are they being attacked with AI slop to overpower the admins/mods and to start class wars on the instances to lower the user experience?
If so, who would benefit from doing so? Who would have the financial strength to be able to do such a thing? How can they be stopped?
I wouldn't be too surprised if reddit was doing some action to keep Lemmy down (like down ranking posts that mention or link to Lemmy in their algorithm), but I don't think lemm.ee shut down from any outside force attacking them, I think it was far more mundane.
A few things probably contributed:
- Lemm.ee was the second biggest instance, that's going to attract a fair amount of drama and trolls no matter how you slice it. If you don't have enough mods or admins to deal with that load, it can be overwhelming.
MrKaplan of Lemmy.world mentioned that .world is able to handle their size effectively due to ensuring they have enough active mods to handle their communities so there's less load for the admins, perhaps lemm.ee did not.
- Their policy of non-defederation likely increased their drama and report burden, as some instances are known to have more toxic users than others, making defederation a powerful tool to make things manageable and quiet that report notification.
Combined with a lack of fresh admins to rotate out the ones getting burned out, and you've got a potent recipe to make the whole thing super un-fun and feel like an unappreciated slog of a job.
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What AI slop? There is a surprising lack of spam on Lemmy, if somebody wanted to attack it you'd see a spamwave with hundreds of posts per minute. It happened once when we got spammed by a chinese group but never again.
- AI slop != spam
- No one can tell the difference between AI slop and real people.
- Creating hundreds of AI posts in seconds/minutes is possible, but easily detectable. People have the smarts.
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With instances falling, are they being attacked with AI slop to overpower the admins/mods and to start class wars on the instances to lower the user experience?
If so, who would benefit from doing so? Who would have the financial strength to be able to do such a thing? How can they be stopped?
No, they are not.
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With instances falling, are they being attacked with AI slop to overpower the admins/mods and to start class wars on the instances to lower the user experience?
If so, who would benefit from doing so? Who would have the financial strength to be able to do such a thing? How can they be stopped?
they don't have to, to be honest, your mod team itself is very bad, they hand out bans for just having an oppinion that is not far left, it's the either you are with us or against us attitude that i don't like
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With instances falling, are they being attacked with AI slop to overpower the admins/mods and to start class wars on the instances to lower the user experience?
If so, who would benefit from doing so? Who would have the financial strength to be able to do such a thing? How can they be stopped?
Dude, go out for a walk. Enjoy the sun, the wind, the birds and the grass. You are overthinking things that do not exist.
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I wouldn't be too surprised if reddit was doing some action to keep Lemmy down (like down ranking posts that mention or link to Lemmy in their algorithm), but I don't think lemm.ee shut down from any outside force attacking them, I think it was far more mundane.
A few things probably contributed:
- Lemm.ee was the second biggest instance, that's going to attract a fair amount of drama and trolls no matter how you slice it. If you don't have enough mods or admins to deal with that load, it can be overwhelming.
MrKaplan of Lemmy.world mentioned that .world is able to handle their size effectively due to ensuring they have enough active mods to handle their communities so there's less load for the admins, perhaps lemm.ee did not.
- Their policy of non-defederation likely increased their drama and report burden, as some instances are known to have more toxic users than others, making defederation a powerful tool to make things manageable and quiet that report notification.
Combined with a lack of fresh admins to rotate out the ones getting burned out, and you've got a potent recipe to make the whole thing super un-fun and feel like an unappreciated slog of a job.
we know reddit works with google to make them appear on the searches most of the time.
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With instances falling, are they being attacked with AI slop to overpower the admins/mods and to start class wars on the instances to lower the user experience?
If so, who would benefit from doing so? Who would have the financial strength to be able to do such a thing? How can they be stopped?
lemmy isnt large enough to be a threat to reddit, and most people on reddit dont know lemmy instances exists. reddit still an immense amount of communities that arnt found on lemmy.
the only spam you would be getting would be from some users, or the problematic instances.
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- AI slop != spam
- No one can tell the difference between AI slop and real people.
- Creating hundreds of AI posts in seconds/minutes is possible, but easily detectable. People have the smarts.
We can tell the difference between AI slop and people. That's why it's called slop. I've seen a number of folks get called out just for using an AI to edit their post (and letting it rewrite it wholesale instead of retaining their own voice).
This is an Occam's Razor scenario: the simplest explanation is that people are assholes and a lot of work to moderate, and not every server is going to be able to make it. But that's why federation is a good thing. It'll be interesting to see if everyone migrates and remains on the fediverse or if the community shrinks.
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With instances falling, are they being attacked with AI slop to overpower the admins/mods and to start class wars on the instances to lower the user experience?
If so, who would benefit from doing so? Who would have the financial strength to be able to do such a thing? How can they be stopped?
People really have become a bit paranoid about bots. It’s sad what AI has done to assumptions.
I’m not sure how to articulate it, really.
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With instances falling, are they being attacked with AI slop to overpower the admins/mods and to start class wars on the instances to lower the user experience?
If so, who would benefit from doing so? Who would have the financial strength to be able to do such a thing? How can they be stopped?
No, there would be no benefit for doing so. There are subreddits that see more people come and go in an hour than the entirety of lemmy sees in a month. Lemmy isnt a threat to anything.
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I think you vastly overestimate the cost of doing such a thing, a lot of nerds could afford to inundate us with AI slop, not just reddit.
At the same time, I think you're also vastly underestimating the amount of complete jerkoffs on the internet and how much spare time they have to be jerkoffs.
If there is profit to be made off slop some jerk will direct it this way. There's no need for reddit to bother.
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With instances falling, are they being attacked with AI slop to overpower the admins/mods and to start class wars on the instances to lower the user experience?
If so, who would benefit from doing so? Who would have the financial strength to be able to do such a thing? How can they be stopped?
I believed they were doing such things against budding competitors long before the LLM era. My test is simple. Replace it with China. Would the replies be the opposite of what you've recieved so far? The answer is yes. Absolutely people would be frothing at the mouth about China being bad actors.
Western tech bros are just as paranoid, they copy off others, they steal ideas. When we do it it's called "innovation".
