AOSP isn't dead, but Google just landed a huge blow to custom ROM developers
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or a brand whose phones support their requirements other than google.
Wasn't Graphene's "selling point" for long being that nothing but Pixels can match their reqs? I don't see why any current band would want to make it easier for them, and I also don't see new brand significantly entering the market.
Graphene boiled themselves in their own frogpan.
Nah, you have it backwards. GrapheneOS didn't choose Pixels for any reason other than they're the only acceptably secure devices out there. I can't imagine they want this to be the case.
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Google has made it harder to build custom Android ROMs for Pixel phones by omitting their device trees and driver binaries from the latest AOSP release.
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The company says this is because it’s shifting its AOSP reference target from Pixel hardware to a virtual device called “Cuttlefish” to be more neutral.
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While Google insists AOSP isn’t going away, developers must now reverse-engineer changes, making the process for supporting Pixel devices more difficult.
I am running GOS on a Pixel 7, which means I've had this device for ~2.5 years at this point, and back when I transitioned to this setup I was aware they were talking about being beholden to Pixels due to the hardware security module not being available on other devices.
It has been a known issue. I understand it is a very difficult and costly undertaking to develop new hardware and new entrants would be competing against the big guys for fab space, manufacturing and assembly etc.
We need some kind of nonprofit or independently financed group to advance this cause. Could it be FUTO, Framework, or some other company/organization like this?
There would be market incentive to solve these problems - There has got to be a lot of demand for a neutral hardware platform that meets the hardware security module and other requirements for bootloader security, custom ROMs, etc.
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I want a phone with only cellular data, no calling, no sms, just an open source browser capable of webasm and webrtc
Sounds like a tablet, and that very well could be easier for someone to build than a phone.
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Why eSim? Does your carrier not support physical sim?
For traveling I find it much easier to just buy an esim
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I am running GOS on a Pixel 7, which means I've had this device for ~2.5 years at this point, and back when I transitioned to this setup I was aware they were talking about being beholden to Pixels due to the hardware security module not being available on other devices.
It has been a known issue. I understand it is a very difficult and costly undertaking to develop new hardware and new entrants would be competing against the big guys for fab space, manufacturing and assembly etc.
We need some kind of nonprofit or independently financed group to advance this cause. Could it be FUTO, Framework, or some other company/organization like this?
There would be market incentive to solve these problems - There has got to be a lot of demand for a neutral hardware platform that meets the hardware security module and other requirements for bootloader security, custom ROMs, etc.
Would fairphone be a good choice?
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You must be ignoring the Motorola bloat that makes it's performance beyond subpar somehow
People who use stock ROMs choose to suffer, just like people who choose to buy a Pixel that will either come unglued, push components through the display, or just constantly overheat.
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TL;DR
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Google has made it harder to build custom Android ROMs for Pixel phones by omitting their device trees and driver binaries from the latest AOSP release.
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The company says this is because it’s shifting its AOSP reference target from Pixel hardware to a virtual device called “Cuttlefish” to be more neutral.
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While Google insists AOSP isn’t going away, developers must now reverse-engineer changes, making the process for supporting Pixel devices more difficult.
That was bound to happen at some point. Buying a Google device to then "degoogle" it never sit quite right with me.
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Yeah, just that this has shit to do with the stated reasons. Google hasn't been an open source ally for quite some time now
Do you think it may be related to the monopoly issues they are currently facing?
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I really want to give furios phone a shot. It's apparently close to supporting my carrier.
That and a sailfish phone. The community one though didn't support my carrier (think it's mainly EU specced only.)
What I find missing most of the time though is any esim support. Makes me wonder if the hardware one that you can program an esim on works.
I plan on buying one when my current phone is no longer usable.
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TL;DR
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Google has made it harder to build custom Android ROMs for Pixel phones by omitting their device trees and driver binaries from the latest AOSP release.
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The company says this is because it’s shifting its AOSP reference target from Pixel hardware to a virtual device called “Cuttlefish” to be more neutral.
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While Google insists AOSP isn’t going away, developers must now reverse-engineer changes, making the process for supporting Pixel devices more difficult.
So I installed LineageOS recently. Now that I've transferred my passwords and account info I'm quite happy. What will happen from here? Will some apps stop working? If not, is there a problem with just continuing to use the phone as is until I need a new phone (security, eg)?
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one less reason to buy a Pixel, well done Google!
How badly would this affect graphine os?
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Would fairphone be a good choice?
No. Sadly they lack the security requirements for GOS.
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I want a phone with only cellular data, no calling, no sms, just an open source browser capable of webasm and webrtc
We had those, they were called Pocket PCs. I too want them back. I loved the Dell Axim x51v. A tablet does the job, but it's the same shitty OS.
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Sounds like a tablet, and that very well could be easier for someone to build than a phone.
Can we have one of those that fit in my pocket, like 6.5" max ?
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That was bound to happen at some point. Buying a Google device to then "degoogle" it never sit quite right with me.
I bought mine secondhand because I had a bad feeling about giving google money just to degoogle as well but still really wanted to use GrapheneOS
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More like A-no-SP
It's Nopen Source
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Yes, but that shouldn't explicitly opt in, and they shouldn't marry that product to Gmail and Google Drive if they are going to push it to enable by default.
Again, it's really insidious. They push it so aggressively I had to disable it on my personal device twice, and I can't just not use Google Photos app because it's tied to the camera itself on pixel phones.
I agree with you, it's insidious.
Given you've got a Pixel phone, you can save at least yourself from this problem by running Graphene or Calyx on it.
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TL;DR
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Google has made it harder to build custom Android ROMs for Pixel phones by omitting their device trees and driver binaries from the latest AOSP release.
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The company says this is because it’s shifting its AOSP reference target from Pixel hardware to a virtual device called “Cuttlefish” to be more neutral.
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While Google insists AOSP isn’t going away, developers must now reverse-engineer changes, making the process for supporting Pixel devices more difficult.
This fucking sucks. Cyberpunk dystopia
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Like, I understand the more the merrier, and so I don't hate on the whole Pixel, ROM development thingy, but I just don't understand the appeal of Pixel phones. If you want to be a photographer, get a camera. Other than that, you really don't need that great of a camera on your phone. Given the condition of America and the police state and corporate surveillance, I don't know why anybody with a damn look of sense would put their information on these major platforms, let alone even on the outskirts. Some people make money on social media, but a lot don't. I stick to my guns and I'm on the internet and computers to learn to educate myself, not to dick around with stupid shit. We need something other than Android. And we have to be weary of open source, especially when it's sponsored by Google. Google is a terrorist organization.
If you want to be a photographer, get a camera.
️Even professional photographers don't have their cameras on them at all times, nor are they as convenient for just whipping out and taking a picture within 1.5s.
Plus, cameras are expensive and they're another thing to carry around (idk about you but I don't have infinite pocket space) and they're another thing to keep charged, whereas you have a phone with you at pretty much all times anyway, because they're effectively required for modern society.
You may as well be saying you don't understand why phones can play music when you can get an MP3 player, that you don't understand why they play videos because TVs exist, that you don't understand why they have web browsers and plenty of apps, because PCs exist.
I stick to my guns and I'm on the internet and computers to learn to educate myself, not to dick around with stupid shit.
He said, on this Lemmy thread.
And we have to be weary of open source
Ah yes, that nefarious Open Source software. Tell me more about the evils of FOSS, Mr Balmer.
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That was bound to happen at some point. Buying a Google device to then "degoogle" it never sit quite right with me.
Amen but here we are
