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'We're done with Teams': German state hits uninstall on Microsoft

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  • Teams is just a copy of old functionality. It doesn't offer anything new. Especially considering their funds and reach. Yet it just promotes the old document / paper world. I'm sure that is intentional. As they need to keep office going. The world should have moved on from documents by now.

    What on earth are you talking about by “promotes the old document/paper world”?

  • What on earth are you talking about by “promotes the old document/paper world”?

    Today, when people deal with information digitally, we should be in control in the way we need it. Individual pieces of information should be easy to send, edit, automate, consume and share, without IT getting in the way. Sadly the old files, silos, incompatibility, and systems designed for printing paper documents is still dominant. MS need that. To keep their dominance from the days when they grew powerful and got caught abusing their their monopoly position.
    We need to move past this mess as soon as we can.

  • Today, when people deal with information digitally, we should be in control in the way we need it. Individual pieces of information should be easy to send, edit, automate, consume and share, without IT getting in the way. Sadly the old files, silos, incompatibility, and systems designed for printing paper documents is still dominant. MS need that. To keep their dominance from the days when they grew powerful and got caught abusing their their monopoly position.
    We need to move past this mess as soon as we can.

    You wrote all of that without actually saying anything.

    How does any of….. that….. apply to this situation? Microsoft are one of the biggest pushers of “all digital” there is.

  • You wrote all of that without actually saying anything.

    How does any of….. that….. apply to this situation? Microsoft are one of the biggest pushers of “all digital” there is.

    Their priority is sustaining profit. Which needs them to keep the status quo, not innovate. Teams is not innovation.
    If you are satisfied with what we have today, the next generation of digital information will really surprise you. Yet it would have been available 30 years ago if not for big business monopolies and lack of imagination among techies.

  • Their priority is sustaining profit. Which needs them to keep the status quo, not innovate. Teams is not innovation.
    If you are satisfied with what we have today, the next generation of digital information will really surprise you. Yet it would have been available 30 years ago if not for big business monopolies and lack of imagination among techies.

    Again - you’re writing a lot but saying nothing.

    What exactly are you talking about? Give specifics. What exactly are Microsoft “holding back”? How are they only keeping the status quo by having the most integrated all-in-one ecosystem on the market?

    I’m not sure why you expect teams to be innovative in the first place?

  • Again - you’re writing a lot but saying nothing.

    What exactly are you talking about? Give specifics. What exactly are Microsoft “holding back”? How are they only keeping the status quo by having the most integrated all-in-one ecosystem on the market?

    I’m not sure why you expect teams to be innovative in the first place?

    Surely you want to have good digital communication? And surely you want Teams to help people communicate really well?
    But it sounds like you are satisfied with Teams. It appears you have low expectations of communication.
    You've read the problems people have posted here. Such as when working with multiple companies different teams. So as a starter, a choice of teams clients is missing. Next, teams is not an open standard. To allow connection with other non Teams networks. Next, Teams attempts to integrate your information. But only allows files pictures and text. Information is so much more. It could be a date, an invite, an invoice, a question, a holiday, an insurance.
    If it helps, understand that non IT people want to manage this information in a direct, non IT, non text way. MS products rank very low in this regard.
    If all you can imagine is what MS has, then maybe you might understand when it's put in front of you.

  • Surely you want to have good digital communication? And surely you want Teams to help people communicate really well?
    But it sounds like you are satisfied with Teams. It appears you have low expectations of communication.
    You've read the problems people have posted here. Such as when working with multiple companies different teams. So as a starter, a choice of teams clients is missing. Next, teams is not an open standard. To allow connection with other non Teams networks. Next, Teams attempts to integrate your information. But only allows files pictures and text. Information is so much more. It could be a date, an invite, an invoice, a question, a holiday, an insurance.
    If it helps, understand that non IT people want to manage this information in a direct, non IT, non text way. MS products rank very low in this regard.
    If all you can imagine is what MS has, then maybe you might understand when it's put in front of you.

    You’re still not giving specifics or making any sense.

    “Information could be a holiday, an insurance”

    What on earth are you talking about?

  • You’re still not giving specifics or making any sense.

    “Information could be a holiday, an insurance”

    What on earth are you talking about?

    Those are the sort of pieces of information people actually have, and need to manage digitally. There will be ways to do this, where you see your information. Not files, or other IT mechanisms. You can create, sort and share them directly. They will have security, and ways to automate processes. You won't need 10 different applications to do this, or 6 incompatible online silos, or 4 different folder structures to organise it. Just one. Much less to learn, as you use one thing every time. And all using 90's tech.

  • Those are the sort of pieces of information people actually have, and need to manage digitally. There will be ways to do this, where you see your information. Not files, or other IT mechanisms. You can create, sort and share them directly. They will have security, and ways to automate processes. You won't need 10 different applications to do this, or 6 incompatible online silos, or 4 different folder structures to organise it. Just one. Much less to learn, as you use one thing every time. And all using 90's tech.

    You’re a master of stringing a very large number of words together without actually saying anything of any meaning.

    You still haven’t given a single specific example of what you’re talking about and how Microsoft’s products don’t allow it.

  • You’re a master of stringing a very large number of words together without actually saying anything of any meaning.

    You still haven’t given a single specific example of what you’re talking about and how Microsoft’s products don’t allow it.

    So the requirement is to display information, such in the examples I gave. Where you can create new, edit existing ones, organise them in your preferred structure, and actively share them. All without doing unnecessary IT operations. All in one UI environment.

  • So the requirement is to display information, such in the examples I gave. Where you can create new, edit existing ones, organise them in your preferred structure, and actively share them. All without doing unnecessary IT operations. All in one UI environment.

    So……OneNote.

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    What about donating money to people online without giving away your name and privacy? What about avoiding scams for P2P transactions? What about boycotting the banking system? What about avoiding international payment fees? These all seem valid use cases to me
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    It's true that there's some usefulness in recollection, but geez I find myself digging through my browser history and being absolutely lost... whether it's an article, video, online store product, anything. Then I usually just re-search for whatever it was from scratch ‍️
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    I have zero problems with this on Lineage. ?? No spoofing either, just Lineage.
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    You don’t understand. The tracking and spying is the entire point of the maneuver. The ‘children are accessing porn’ thing is just a Trojan horse to justify the spying. I understand what are you saying, I simply don't consider to check if a law is applied as a Trojan horse in itself. I would agree if the EU had said to these sites "give us all the the access log, a list of your subscriber, every data you gather and a list of every IP it ever connected to your site", and even this way does not imply that with only the IP you could know who the user is without even asking the telecom company for help. So, is it a Trojan horse ? Maybe, it heavily depend on how the EU want to do it. If they just ask "show me how you try to avoid that a minor access your material", which normally is the fist step, I don't see how it could be a Trojan horse. It could become, I agree on that. As you pointed out, it’s already illegal for them to access it, and parents are legally required to prevent their children from accessing it. No, parents are not legally required to prevent it. The seller (or provider) is legally required. It is a subtle but important difference. But you don’t lock down the entire population, or institute pre-crime surveillance policies, just because some parents are not going to follow the law. True. You simply impose laws that make mandatories for the provider to check if he can sell/serve something to someone. I mean asking that the cashier of mall check if I am an adult when I buy a bottle of wine is no different than asking to Pornhub to check if the viewer is an adult. I agree that in one case is really simple and in the other is really hard (and it is becoming harder by the day). You then charge the guilty parents after the offense. Ok, it would work, but then how do you caught the offendind parents if not checking what everyone do ? Is it not simpler to try to prevent it instead ?
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    I feel like I'm in those years of You really want a 3d TV, right? Right? 3D is what you've been waiting for, right? all over again, but with a different technology. It will be VR's turn again next. I admit I'm really rooting for affordable, real-world, daily-use AR though.