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  • Just out of curiosity, what is it EXACTLY about ads on YouTube that you dislike? Is it that they exist at all? That there are too many of them? That they're unskippable? What would you, specifically, find to be a tolerable amount of ads? If you were Chief Ad Engineer at YouTube, how would you structure the ads system?

    I have my thoughts on the matter, but I want to know what YOU think.

  • Just out of curiosity, what is it EXACTLY about ads on YouTube that you dislike? Is it that they exist at all? That there are too many of them? That they're unskippable? What would you, specifically, find to be a tolerable amount of ads? If you were Chief Ad Engineer at YouTube, how would you structure the ads system?

    I have my thoughts on the matter, but I want to know what YOU think.

    I have zero tolerance to unsolicited advertising whatsoever. I am of extremely low opinion (but can sometimes tolerate) about advertisement reviews if they are stacked in some special place for advertisement reviews.

  • Just out of curiosity, what is it EXACTLY about ads on YouTube that you dislike? Is it that they exist at all? That there are too many of them? That they're unskippable? What would you, specifically, find to be a tolerable amount of ads? If you were Chief Ad Engineer at YouTube, how would you structure the ads system?

    I have my thoughts on the matter, but I want to know what YOU think.

    I despise ads, it's brainwashing and psychological manipulation. No amount is tolerable. I have refused jobs at advertising companies even when I had money problems and needed to eat. If I were working for Google, I would quit.

  • Just out of curiosity, what is it EXACTLY about ads on YouTube that you dislike? Is it that they exist at all? That there are too many of them? That they're unskippable? What would you, specifically, find to be a tolerable amount of ads? If you were Chief Ad Engineer at YouTube, how would you structure the ads system?

    I have my thoughts on the matter, but I want to know what YOU think.

    For me, the worst part is when they interrupt a video. Anything longer than 5 seconds is also a dealbreaker, often I decide that I dont need to see the video after all when multiple longer ads happen. But then again, I could never stand ads on TV either.

    I think whats especially egregious about youtube ads is that they prevent you doing what you came for. On basically all other sites, ads are something in the background, something you ignore. They cannot be ignored if they play instead of a video.

  • Just out of curiosity, what is it EXACTLY about ads on YouTube that you dislike? Is it that they exist at all? That there are too many of them? That they're unskippable? What would you, specifically, find to be a tolerable amount of ads? If you were Chief Ad Engineer at YouTube, how would you structure the ads system?

    I have my thoughts on the matter, but I want to know what YOU think.

    2 issues. Inconsistent quality control of ads. In some places ads have content that would be banned in the actual YouTube videos. There's also inconsistent quantity of ads. You can have 5 second or 14.5 second unskippable ads with the timer for determining if an ad is unskipple getting longer and longer. I've also seen a 10 minute video with 3 double ad stops and it's all creeping up with them even now not showing the timer for ads in the Android app. They were fine when they started ads but it's getting worse.

  • Just out of curiosity, what is it EXACTLY about ads on YouTube that you dislike? Is it that they exist at all? That there are too many of them? That they're unskippable? What would you, specifically, find to be a tolerable amount of ads? If you were Chief Ad Engineer at YouTube, how would you structure the ads system?

    I have my thoughts on the matter, but I want to know what YOU think.

    I believe that advertising is one of the roots of many of our current societal problems, including violent political extremism/fascism/etc. Advertising should be banned, full stop. No amount of ads are acceptable.

  • Just out of curiosity, what is it EXACTLY about ads on YouTube that you dislike? Is it that they exist at all? That there are too many of them? That they're unskippable? What would you, specifically, find to be a tolerable amount of ads? If you were Chief Ad Engineer at YouTube, how would you structure the ads system?

    I have my thoughts on the matter, but I want to know what YOU think.

    The ads-based business model is one of the main reasons so much of the internet sucks so bad. It should either be completely free or run on donations or subscriptions.

    I don’t have an issue with YouTube ads because I’ve never actually had to see any - thanks to adblocking. But when they eventually figure out how to prevent that, I’d rather just pay a monthly fee than deal with ads. I think their pricing is completely reasonable, and I can’t morally justify blocking ads - I do it because it’s easy and free. Honestly, I’ve subscribed to services that cost more and give me less value than YouTube does.

  • Just out of curiosity, what is it EXACTLY about ads on YouTube that you dislike? Is it that they exist at all? That there are too many of them? That they're unskippable? What would you, specifically, find to be a tolerable amount of ads? If you were Chief Ad Engineer at YouTube, how would you structure the ads system?

    I have my thoughts on the matter, but I want to know what YOU think.

    I understand that we exist under capitalism and that it costs money to host and distribute these videos.

    I'm willing to pay for access to this service by letting an ad play (probably while I'm pouring a glass of water in another room and have my speakers off).

    What gets me is a 3 minute ad on a 44 second video. Interrupting the middle of a sentence with an ad is also annoying. Placing a 30 second ad in the middle of a song can also fuck right off.

    Find an appropriate spot for your ad, and make it's length sensible with regards to the length of the content I'm watching. Or just don't offer an ad supported tier of your service.

  • I understand that we exist under capitalism and that it costs money to host and distribute these videos.

    I'm willing to pay for access to this service by letting an ad play (probably while I'm pouring a glass of water in another room and have my speakers off).

    What gets me is a 3 minute ad on a 44 second video. Interrupting the middle of a sentence with an ad is also annoying. Placing a 30 second ad in the middle of a song can also fuck right off.

    Find an appropriate spot for your ad, and make it's length sensible with regards to the length of the content I'm watching. Or just don't offer an ad supported tier of your service.

    But then how will the normies pay for premium to not see ads

  • Just out of curiosity, what is it EXACTLY about ads on YouTube that you dislike? Is it that they exist at all? That there are too many of them? That they're unskippable? What would you, specifically, find to be a tolerable amount of ads? If you were Chief Ad Engineer at YouTube, how would you structure the ads system?

    I have my thoughts on the matter, but I want to know what YOU think.

    I despise ads because they steal time, and their very existence is an insult to the people that are exposed to them. All ads tell me is „your time is worth very little and we believe you are easily manipulated“.

    Based on average ad length and cost on YouTube, ChatGPT has calculated that advertisers pay about $9 per hour of ads. While that seems a bit high to me, it is plausible. My time is worth more than that.

    Yes, I do pay for YouTube premium. Though in a cheaper country, because the normal price is excessive imho.

  • Just out of curiosity, what is it EXACTLY about ads on YouTube that you dislike? Is it that they exist at all? That there are too many of them? That they're unskippable? What would you, specifically, find to be a tolerable amount of ads? If you were Chief Ad Engineer at YouTube, how would you structure the ads system?

    I have my thoughts on the matter, but I want to know what YOU think.

    The YouTube engineers working on advertising are tasked with maximizing revenue, not making the user experience better.

    It’s a de-facto monopoly and the only way to get better user experience is through adblock.

  • I despise ads, it's brainwashing and psychological manipulation. No amount is tolerable. I have refused jobs at advertising companies even when I had money problems and needed to eat. If I were working for Google, I would quit.

    I know many people, including me, that fall victim to the manipulation of advertising.

    Back in the olden days, it was "here is my product, and this is the price, if you like it buy from this store"
    Now it's not just the actual ad, it's product placement in tv and movies, celebrity endorsement, influencers, and all that.

    Just remember that advertising costs money, and that is in the price of the product. Products that don't advertise can easily be better value.

  • 2 issues. Inconsistent quality control of ads. In some places ads have content that would be banned in the actual YouTube videos. There's also inconsistent quantity of ads. You can have 5 second or 14.5 second unskippable ads with the timer for determining if an ad is unskipple getting longer and longer. I've also seen a 10 minute video with 3 double ad stops and it's all creeping up with them even now not showing the timer for ads in the Android app. They were fine when they started ads but it's getting worse.

    I wish that I'd screenshotted it, but I've had one outrageously long 1+ hr. ad on Youtube. The thing was literally a feature length infomercial, I thought that autoplay had carried onto the next videos in my playlist and couldn't believe that it was an ad when I saw the length. For shit like that to have slipped through Youtube's "quality control" even once speaks volumes - how in the Hell did someone submit an ad longer than a Saturday morning cartoon and have it slotted into the same category as 15 second toothpaste ads?

  • I understand that we exist under capitalism and that it costs money to host and distribute these videos.

    I'm willing to pay for access to this service by letting an ad play (probably while I'm pouring a glass of water in another room and have my speakers off).

    What gets me is a 3 minute ad on a 44 second video. Interrupting the middle of a sentence with an ad is also annoying. Placing a 30 second ad in the middle of a song can also fuck right off.

    Find an appropriate spot for your ad, and make it's length sensible with regards to the length of the content I'm watching. Or just don't offer an ad supported tier of your service.

    The inability to rewind without activating ads was what really got me back in the day. Nobody wants to call over their friend to watch something cool/funny, only to have the clip trigger an ad when they restart it.

  • Just out of curiosity, what is it EXACTLY about ads on YouTube that you dislike? Is it that they exist at all? That there are too many of them? That they're unskippable? What would you, specifically, find to be a tolerable amount of ads? If you were Chief Ad Engineer at YouTube, how would you structure the ads system?

    I have my thoughts on the matter, but I want to know what YOU think.

    When video streaming first appeared on the internet, I basically stopped watching cable. I tolerate 0 ads and abuse video and streaming services until it's impossible to do so and then I just won't use those services anymore. It's not sustainable to let me watch, acknowledged. I don't care.

  • When video streaming first appeared on the internet, I basically stopped watching cable. I tolerate 0 ads and abuse video and streaming services until it's impossible to do so and then I just won't use those services anymore. It's not sustainable to let me watch, acknowledged. I don't care.

    YouTube was working at a massive deficit to capture video streaming. I didn't mind them trying to "catch up", but they've gone way, way too far.

  • I wish that I'd screenshotted it, but I've had one outrageously long 1+ hr. ad on Youtube. The thing was literally a feature length infomercial, I thought that autoplay had carried onto the next videos in my playlist and couldn't believe that it was an ad when I saw the length. For shit like that to have slipped through Youtube's "quality control" even once speaks volumes - how in the Hell did someone submit an ad longer than a Saturday morning cartoon and have it slotted into the same category as 15 second toothpaste ads?

    The longest ad I've see on YouTube was about 7 years ago and I watched the whole ad because someone paid for the entire Michael Jackson's Thriller video as an ad.

  • Just out of curiosity, what is it EXACTLY about ads on YouTube that you dislike? Is it that they exist at all? That there are too many of them? That they're unskippable? What would you, specifically, find to be a tolerable amount of ads? If you were Chief Ad Engineer at YouTube, how would you structure the ads system?

    I have my thoughts on the matter, but I want to know what YOU think.

    My take on ads is this: I've been using the internet since 1989 - before search engines, advertising, SLIP/PPP/ADSL, etc.

    When ads began to appear on websites in the late 90s, I was OK with it. A banner ad here, etc. Then they started to move. And flash. And make noise. And then popups, and pop-unders.

    At that point I started to BLOCK THEM ALL. If your business model is a game of distraction from the site I'm visiting, then fuck you, your family, and anyone you've ever met.

    Moving on to UI web-based stuff, the demise of excellent sites like AltaVista (with its superior search syntax) and the growth of Goooooooogle (with its astonishingly and intentionally shit search syntax), the progress and intention was obvious.

    There was a brief period where Google, etc, provided what people wanted. But that time has passed. Now it's all in on GIGO: garbage in, garbage out.

    tl;dr: Once advertisers started to behave like gambling sites, they were yeeted to the hell in which they belong.

  • Just out of curiosity, what is it EXACTLY about ads on YouTube that you dislike? Is it that they exist at all? That there are too many of them? That they're unskippable? What would you, specifically, find to be a tolerable amount of ads? If you were Chief Ad Engineer at YouTube, how would you structure the ads system?

    I have my thoughts on the matter, but I want to know what YOU think.

    Know what I don't understand? My wife watches YouTube in bed and I hardly notice ads. Granted, I have my ear plugs in while I read, but I'm not completely tuned out. Ads are rare enough that I'm a bit surprised to notice one.

    When I watch YouTube on my PC, without a condom so to speak, fuck me it's unusable. I simply refuse to engage until uBlock catches up.

    All I got is that her content isn't easily monetized? One one hand, she watching a lot of political news from the Philippines. OTOH, she's mostly on those dumb crime shows where it's all white trash confessing to the pigs.

    As of this week, I can no longer watch in Firefox and have to go to Edge. Anyone?

  • Just out of curiosity, what is it EXACTLY about ads on YouTube that you dislike? Is it that they exist at all? That there are too many of them? That they're unskippable? What would you, specifically, find to be a tolerable amount of ads? If you were Chief Ad Engineer at YouTube, how would you structure the ads system?

    I have my thoughts on the matter, but I want to know what YOU think.

    I was fine with pre-roll ads and mid roll ads.
    Then YouTube became ultra greedy during Covid when tons of people watching, they went from 1-3 ads per video to 30 ads for a 30 minute video (2 ads every 2 minutes).
    What the fuck.

    I installed adblocker because they did that. YouTube was not watchable at all.
    Sucks, because I didn’t mind supporting the platform and creator, but their greed ruined that.

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