matrix is cooked
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I think it’d help them a lot to disable new signups on the m.org home server for a while and direct people to some of the other popular options, they spend too much on their own example server imo
It is a bit counter-intuitive but restricting new signups will not help them much. The way the matrix protocol is designed, i.e. replicating everything on every server, means that clients connecting to their server have only a minor impact. As long as most rooms of the entire matrix network are replicated on the matrix.org homeserver their costs will stay high and there isn't really much they can do about that other than shutting it down entirely.
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Are you asking if I insist that the minds behind my secure private chat have some moral standing and common sense? One would hope so. I wouldn't trust encryption made by anti-vaxer more than I would trust a plane put tougher by flat-earther. I don't want to be the hero of the next leopard eat my face song.
I wouldn't trust encryption made by anti-vaxer more than...
Important to note: SimpleX Chat has gone through two security audits.
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I wouldn’t trust encryption made by anti-vaxer
My understanding of encryption is that the point is that you don't have to trust the people doing it. You just have to trust the security research community that proved that the algorithms/protocols work. Or if you're a hardcore security guy yourself, you can review it yourself.
Also, my understanding of people is that what they seem like is no evidence for what kind of people they really are.
...that proved that the algorithms/protocols work.
You can use a perfect algorithm and still be insecure because the implementation was bad. You are trusting the SimpleX Chat devs to a degree.
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The SimpleX Chat is AGPL. If the founder is problematic, one can fork it and avoid reinventing what has already been made.
go on then
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Here's Matrix CEOs answer to this article: https://lobste.rs/c/jekh0n -- according to him the article is absurd amounts of FUD
How complicated is a federated messenger? Because it feels like matrix is the only one but there's always an issue
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It is a bit counter-intuitive but restricting new signups will not help them much. The way the matrix protocol is designed, i.e. replicating everything on every server, means that clients connecting to their server have only a minor impact. As long as most rooms of the entire matrix network are replicated on the matrix.org homeserver their costs will stay high and there isn't really much they can do about that other than shutting it down entirely.
As long as most rooms of the entire matrix network are replicated on the matrix.org homeserver
Is this a dealbreaker for people though?
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How complicated is a federated messenger? Because it feels like matrix is the only one but there's always an issue
It feels like there could/should be a good modern chat protocol and voice protocol and you just pick which interface you want to use, much like email currently does, except for chatrooms.
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cheap and easy? I tried running it myself and ran into several hurdles, and gave up. How did you host it? VPS? Docker? Bare-metal?
I'm not who you replied to, but there is a big stack of ansible playbooks for it that make it pretty pushbutton. They primarily use docker. This is what I used and I got it setup in like an hour.
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It feels like there could/should be a good modern chat protocol and voice protocol and you just pick which interface you want to use, much like email currently does, except for chatrooms.
Add voice to IRC.
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I like the concept of delta.chat the most. Anyone here use it? Any reason why it hasn't caught on?
Could it support technical FOSS channels with thousands of participants, like what IRC was awesome for and Matrix seems to be pretty ok at?
For me, the reason why Delta Chat hadn't caught up on me is stickers. There's a sticker picker on desktop, but not on mobile, and its behind more settings. Weird that it doesnt do it like WhatsApp where stickers are added to personal collections (favorites) that only sync between accounts and can be added manually; it's not necessary to make it like Telegram or Signal where you can add a collection from a repository.
For chatting it is really enough. Like email.
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As long as most rooms of the entire matrix network are replicated on the matrix.org homeserver
Is this a dealbreaker for people though?
There is not much they can do about it short of shutting down the entire server. Due to how matrix functions internally any sufficiently large federated homeserver replicates most of the entire network.
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It feels like there could/should be a good modern chat protocol and voice protocol and you just pick which interface you want to use, much like email currently does, except for chatrooms.
There is: XMPP
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I'm not who you replied to, but there is a big stack of ansible playbooks for it that make it pretty pushbutton. They primarily use docker. This is what I used and I got it setup in like an hour.
yeah I did the ansible. You just fill out a config file & point it at any Linux server with python installed and it’ll set things up for you
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Add voice to IRC.
️Good idea. That makes me wonder if voice over IRC is a thing. I feel like there might only be four people who know how to use it, but I bet I would enjoy hanging out with those four people.
Edit: Poe's law applies, apparently:
https://github.com/asiekierka/voirc -
XMPP? The clients not supporting things can suck, but it's worked well for me.
That last part is the "problem", I just need something to text and send memes and files, but convincing the people around me to leave animations and stickers behind would be impossible.
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Fuck... Is there an alternative?
Can't use telegram cus banned, won't use signal because usa and for a while they got very buddy-buddy with the zucc, matrix requires me hosting and it isn't exactly private... So what's left? -
It feels like there could/should be a good modern chat protocol and voice protocol and you just pick which interface you want to use, much like email currently does, except for chatrooms.
There is -- jabber and jingle. And for a ver-ry brief few weeks, Google's jabber/jingle worked openly with Facebook's, and everyone could message each other. And then BOTH arbitrarily broke it with some sparkle-junkie resume-bait software 'up'grade and neither worked with anything else after that.
It was glorious.
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There is: XMPP
modern
But i also feel like xmpp got feature creeped. Not to long ago, basically every messenger spoke its own subset of xmpp, basically.
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Fuck... Is there an alternative?
Can't use telegram cus banned, won't use signal because usa and for a while they got very buddy-buddy with the zucc, matrix requires me hosting and it isn't exactly private... So what's left?Honestly, I get why one would be discouraged by signal, but as long as your threat model is not "NSA and mossad have a price on my head", I think it is still the best non-federated alternative. I'd rather take a flawed messenger with well regarded encryption than a beta version that nobody with time and crypto knowledge ever looked at.
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modern
But i also feel like xmpp got feature creeped. Not to long ago, basically every messenger spoke its own subset of xmpp, basically.
It's not any worse than the differen't feature support levels of different Matrix clients. But especially on Android, XMPP has nice modern clients with all the features you would expect, including a/v calls and reactions/stickers.
The main issue right now are up to date Windows desktop clients, but on Linux desktop there are some good options.
