China's Robotaxi Companies Are Racing Ahead of Tesla
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Tesla's robotaxi debut in Austin got people excited. But can the company compete on the global stage with Chinese AV giants like Baidu and Pony.ai?
Even this thing is a better self driving taxi https://youtu.be/Qa0ErxEQFD0
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Even this thing is a better self driving taxi https://youtu.be/Qa0ErxEQFD0
Did you even open your own link that a taxi in Japan lmao.
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But holy shit a marvel of marketing. Better be a case study in business school. They had little to no actual implementation for years and years but are still the go-to name for autonomous driving and selling subscriptions to something that doesn't exist. Absolutely wild.
the go-to name for autonomous driving
Only inside Usa.
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the go-to name for autonomous driving
Only inside Usa.
Who is it outside?
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Who is it outside?
All the real carmakers.
Currently the German ones may be the techology leaders, and some Chinese brand may be the market leader - but I'm no expert, I just see what everybody can see.
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Heavily underutilized for now.
China has a birthrate of 1.15 children per woman. When is this later time you allude to when there will be more people to utilize the heavily underutilized network?
When many who still aren't in cities move into them. Urbanization in China has yet more runway and that drives rail utilization.
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All the real carmakers.
Currently the German ones may be the techology leaders, and some Chinese brand may be the market leader - but I'm no expert, I just see what everybody can see.
I don't see VW operating anything with L
54 autonomy. -
I don't see VW operating anything with L
54 autonomy.operating
So?
L5 autonomy.
Nobody has that yet.
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Does the US only really have Tesla?
Kind of. Waymo is around which is much better. Mercedes Benz is German with some manufacturing here in the states but got approval for Autonomous level 3. Ford and GM have BlueCruise and SuperCruise which they were keeping at level 2, and testing level 3 without showing much info to the public from what I have seen. They are old established companies, when they launch level 3, id expect it to work way better than Teslas current performance. I imagine they want to work out the few kinks Waymo has and ensure the don't end up with mass recalls/lawsuits. Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep has announced their level 3 but is also not sending it to market yet. Once again an established company that knows the pitfalls of almost going bankrupt if I remember. I'd say Waymo sits between level 4 & 5. It can and does drive without a driver through cities/highways all day long, but there have been incidents where they have trouble "settling down" for the night if you will. Like a portion should return to a remote parking area ideally (the lots are to close now in my opinion) when business is slower and all park in spots and just sit until demand starts to increase again, slowly feeding more vehicles to taxi the people only when needed. BUTT there have been incidents where 10 of them pull into the parking lot and they all get cautious about hitting each other when attempting to park anf they were originally designed to wait for the other vehicle to park assuming it has a person driving, yet they are all autonomous so they wait on each other and in a notable incident in the past they were all honking at each other trying to get the others to just pull in first which as you can imagine cars honking at each other in the middle of the night will piss people off. That said I'm sure theybe fixed that by now, but Id want proof it could go on ANY road and park anywhere before calling it a full level 5.
I've only been in 2 Waymos, both in Tempe, AZ last March/April and all was fine. Once because I got drunk the night before I was going to fly out, so I called one to pick me up and see what it was like, and once the next morning to go get my rental car so I could return to the airport and fly home. The ride to get the car was flawless. The ride home from the bar was near flawless. 9/10 I'd say. The only complaint I would have had is when it pulled into the hotel there were cars in the drop off covered area by the front doors and the car decided to take it carefully at about 4 mph for the last 150 feet do to foot traffic and unpredictable cars pulling out and loading baggage. So if I was driving I would have went a bit quicker, but it being extra safe around pedestrians isn't a big flaw in my book.
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operating
So?
L5 autonomy.
Nobody has that yet.
Yes, operating. Words don't cut it. Tesla's been lying about their systems for years.
You're right in that I mistyped L4.
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China has quite a number of trains already. Arguably they overbuilt their train network as much of it is heavily underutilized.
Isn't that now for their cross country trains as opposed to their subways?
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Yes, operating. Words don't cut it. Tesla's been lying about their systems for years.
You're right in that I mistyped L4.
VW doesn't operate. They rather sell the cars that they build. So what's your problem with that?
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Anything but trains, subways, trams, or buses?
Tech won't solve traffic, proper investment into public transportation will. Investment in these startups should be funneled into self driving public transportation.
They literally have the largest high speed rail network in the world
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Did you even open your own link that a taxi in Japan lmao.
Yes, I watched the video the other day.
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VW doesn't operate. They rather sell the cars that they build. So what's your problem with that?
The cars they sell are operational, champ.
Those cars also do not have L4 autonomy.
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The cars they sell are operational, champ.
Those cars also do not have L4 autonomy.
The only one who sells L4 to real people currently is Mercedes.
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The only one who sells L4 to real people currently is Mercedes.
They're working on it, but it's not complete. Try again.
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But holy shit a marvel of marketing. Better be a case study in business school. They had little to no actual implementation for years and years but are still the go-to name for autonomous driving and selling subscriptions to something that doesn't exist. Absolutely wild.
Not really. Look up Ford Bluecruise. Difference is, Ford wasn't out there for years promising to have it all perfected in an unreasonably short timeframe. They just quietly worked on it until they felt it was ready. THEN they announced it.
Ford BlueCruise | Consumer Reports Top-Rated Active Driving Assistance System | Ford.com
Consumer Reports top-rated Active Driving Assistance System, Ford BlueCruise, offers Adaptive Cruise Control, Lane Centering, and Speed Sign Recognition technologies for a safe and stress-free ride. Drive on Blue Zone pre-qualified highways today!
Ford Motor Company (www.ford.com)
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Tesla's robotaxi debut in Austin got people excited. But can the company compete on the global stage with Chinese AV giants like Baidu and Pony.ai?
Long live the Communist Party of China, comrades!
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Heavily underutilized for now.
China has a birthrate of 1.15 children per woman. When is this later time you allude to when there will be more people to utilize the heavily underutilized network?
690 million women in China, let's say 30% are in age to give birth, that's 207 million. If only 50% of those actually give birth in the next 5 years, that's a whooping 47.6 million kids per year.
Yeah, that population will climb, just not overnight.
