Signal doesn't suffer anything worse than DoS if a hostile party controls the central service. That's its point and role. It's based on the assumption that such hostile parties as governments don't like DoS'ing central services, they prefer to be invisible.

For other points and roles other solutions exist. One can't make an application covering them all, that never happens.

Briar again (I've finally read on it and installed it, and I love how it works and also the authors' plans on the future possibilities based on the same protocols, but not for IM, say, there's an article discussing possibility of RPC over those, which, for example, can give us something like the Web ; I mean, those plans are ambitious and if I want them to succeed so much, I should look for ways to defeat my executive dysfunction and distractions and learn Java). Except it would be cool if it allowed to toss data over untrusted parties, say, now if two Briar users in the same group are not in each other's range, but there's a third Briar user not in that group between them, their group won't synchronize (provided they don't have Internet connectivity). If one could allow allocating some space for such piggybacked data, or create some mesh routing functionality, then it would become a bit cooler.

You are very naive if you think that is all the US government can do in regards to Signal, but suit yourself

OK, so what else in your opinion can it do?

A lot, but please educate yourself, this topic has been extensively discussed here and in other places.

A lot, but please educate yourself,

Thanks for the advice.

this topic has been extensively discussed here and in other places.

This is noise, not an argument.

I dunno what's the purpose of this comment. I asked for specific things, not for noise.

xmpp isn't.

(Ok I get xmpp alone is but every modern client supports the same two encryption methods so judge for yourself)

Anything that's been proven/confirmed?

Define secure. You can run your own network.

What about delta?

Whenever anybody on the internet tells you to educate yourself, but refuses to provide the information they allude to, they're lying. They know they're lying.

Signal has issues, like SVR.. which are worth discussing on their own without this weird vague eliteism

Yes, I know that.

Especially the "this has been discussed before" thing, I dunno about other countries and cultures, but in Russia this is the most common obnoxious shit people without arguments and thinking they have authority use.

Yeah it's like appealing to authority and social pressure all in one. We already discussed it. Bah.

The argument has always been, if when chat rooms are public, anyone can join and start logging the chats, encryption does nothing.

It has the ability to connect over TLS, but that's about it.

I loved using it for its simplicity, except when using all the different flavours of nick registration (Q, NickServ, ...).